Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

Thank you, this is what I was looking for. So generally, say, all my CDS are down. Should I start off with Fire 3 -> F4x2 -> F1 -> F4x2 -> F3 -> etc.?
In that case then is it safe for me to take off Thunder 2 and Blizzard 1 completely off my hotkeys?

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If absolutely everything, including Enochian, is down, you have to revert to the ARR F3 > F1* > B3 rotation. If Enochian is up but everything else is down, that's correct. I wouldn't take T2 and B1 completely off, but relegate them somewhere pretty far from normal. You can run into situations where you can't hold a T3proc for UI phase, so you use it, then transition to UI3 where casting Thunder would be a DPS loss. You can either pray for a fast tick and go straight to B4 or play it safe and B1. Also T2 is used in Leroy's opener if you Flare, but other than that I can't think of a time when it'd be mandatory to cast. If you somehow get super screwed with MP ticks and needed but didn't use T2, I'd say just go into AF3, F4 as much as you can without F1 (since you're lacking some MP), then B3 and pretend the bad tick never happened.

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Originally Posted by Zaranghae

Thank you, this is what I was looking for. So generally, say, all my CDS are down. Should I start off with Fire 3 -> F4x2 -> F1 -> F4x2 -> F3 -> etc.?
In that case then is it safe for me to take off Thunder 2 and Blizzard 1 completely off my hotkeys?

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Please check out my guide. It has all the information you seek.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ck_mage_guide/

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Originally Posted by Rongway

At 876, the cast times are 2.76 and 2.30, so for 170 spell speed you're getting 2/25 and 3/50 of a second off your cast times (2.985% and 2.679%, respectively)

With Ley Lines, 876 gets you 2.34s and 1.95s casts and the reported 1046 values would be 2.28 and 1.90 (3/50 sec and 1/20 sec ; 2.632% in both cases)

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The ley line numbers are indeed correct.

In case people are wondering, with 1046SS, an enhanced arrow and Fey Wind, my FireIV cast is at 1.51seconds and I could do 5 FireIV's rotations. Only problem, MP ticks. I'm too fast :v But it sure felt good.

Guys i have a problem with my gear, this is week 4 coming and i'll be able to buy a A5S accessory, im also going to get my i230 weapon : http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/10341236/

but i feel like all those accessory are total garbage, i dont went to lose my 1070 spellspeed because i know i'm gonna lose some extra f4 under leylines and others things.

So i was thinking, spellspeed is so good right now that i feel crafted gear (on accessory at least) will stay bis forever for the blackmage, any tought on this ?

thanks

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

So i was thinking, spellspeed is so good right now that i feel crafted gear (on accessory at least) will stay bis forever for the blackmage, any tought on this ?

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I did some rough figures over the weekend for stat weights. These numbers are fore pure turret ignoring CDs and rotation, 210 weapon.

To get a 1% damage increase:

• ~12 INT
• ~57-64 Spell Speed (decreases with higher spell speed)
• ~74 Det
• ~95 Crit

On accessories the trade-off of 240 vs 220 crafted is 10 INT for at most 60 secondaries. Unless you are overloaded with Accuracy, there will probably be a better 240 option.

@ Alkimi, some of the crafted gear actually is better then the lore gear. Myself i have neckpiece and belt and have melded ss and crit. Though wish i could of had V instead of IV.. but you know Diadem, bleh
Also i am using some midas accesories which does have spell speed as well

problem i have with stats weight is that it's never rly true

higher your crit is, higher the value of crit is since u get both crit and crit dmg, so +20 crit in 800crit is stronger than +20crit in 500crit, from that it's realy hard to find a stat weight value (especialy with a drg in team)

also why does spell speed value decreases with higher spell speed ? i feel like the more you have the better it is, you can do fancy rotation, i can almost do 5 fire4 under leylines with selene buffs without casting fire


edit : i just made a final bis : http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TAB9 any thought on that one ?

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

problem i have with stats weight is that it's never rly true

higher your crit is, higher the value of crit is since u get both crit and crit dmg, so +20 crit in 800crit is stronger than +20crit in 500crit, from that it's realy hard to find a stat weight value (especialy with a drg in team)

also why does spell speed value decreases with higher spell speed ? i feel like the more you have the better it is, you can do fancy rotation, i can almost do 5 fire4 under leylines with selene buffs without casting fire

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While crit boosts by more damage as a percentage of your base damage as you get higher, the marginal boost to damage is about the same.

Spell speed value doesn't decrease, the amount needed for a 1% increase to damage decreases; at 354 SS it takes about 65 SS for a 1% increase, at 1100 SS it only takes about 57 for a 1% increase.

What do you mean by base damage ? Damage before the multipliers like inteligence or determination ? I doubt it because my crits are approx 1.6 multiplier at 815 crit, it wouldn't be that high if that was only base damage

Also about spellspeed i did quick tests,

with 919spellspeed, my cast time is 2.74, with 108 extra spellspeed, my cast time is 2.69 =>>> thats -0.05sec and 1,86% increased castspeed

with 354 my cast time is 3.0, with 108 extra spellspeed, my cast time is 2.95, so -0.05 aswell but here we only get 1.7% inscreased castspeed

so the more spellspeed you have the better is the stat aswell

Also to compare differents bis option, i was wondering how you found out that 12int was 1% dmg? I agree with you that 58int is 1% dmg, that's exactly what i found, but for intel what you did, 5hour rotation on a dummy ?


let me know if i'm wrong somewhere

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

What do you mean by base damage ? Damage before the multipliers like inteligence or determination ? I doubt it because my crits are approx 1.6 multiplier at 815 crit, it wouldn't be that high if that was only base damage

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By base damage I mean average non-crit damage. Under the old +50% damage system, going from 5% crit to 6% crit was a boost of 0.95% damage, while going to 20% to 21% was only a boost of 0.83% damage.

I went by an early HW calculation, if I have enough crit gear I might try some tests for myself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mage_formulae/

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

with 919spellspeed, my cast time is 2.74, with 108 extra spellspeed, my cast time is 2.69 =>>> thats -0.05sec and 1,86% increased castspeed

with 354 my cast time is 3.0, with 108 extra spellspeed, my cast time is 2.95, so -0.05 aswell but here we only get 1.7% inscreased castspeed

so the more spellspeed you have the better is the stat aswell

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Yes, the more spell speed you have the more each additional it gives you. It takes about 65 SS to take 1% off your cast time. When you're -10% of cast time already (about 1000 SS), adding 65 SS gives you about 1.12% more casts. This is what I mean by the amount of SS needed decreasing to get the 1% damage boost.

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Originally Posted by smallbeach

Also to compare differents bis option, i was wondering how you found out that 12int was 1% dmg? I agree with you that 58int is 1% dmg, that's exactly what i found, but for intel what you did, 5hour rotation on a dummy ?

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I used multiple dummies and Blizzard II spam, getting the high and low damage number with different setups. Keeping the same DET, each INT increased damage by roughly 0.391 damage from 407 all the way up to 994. I extrapolated to my normal INT (1150), and from there it takes about 12 INT to get 1% increase in damage. Taking off an earring (-47 INT, no DET change) gave just under a 4% drop in damage to confirm.