As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

So true but then bourne was saying how expected it was and most teams require it. That was why I saw a probem with that expectation.

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Key phrasing you glossed over in Xero's post: "a ton of pressure to instantly be a Pro."

At no point have I ever insinuated any disagree with that sentiment. I spoke about healers who flatout refuse to DPS or improve their performance. Seeing a healer pull sub 200 DPS despite weeks of practice can get irksome, especially if everyone else is looking for ways to improve.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Key phrasing you glossed over in Xero's post: "a ton of pressure to instantly be a Pro."

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No I didnt gloss over it quite the opposite, I was expected to be an istant or almost pro in the static i was in that I was kicked from and wouldnt have joined it in the first place if it hadnt been described as 'casual' 'its just for fun to try to clear' and ' theres others here with no raid experience'. Then after a few clears switch the goal post to ' you have a week to learn pro sch dps' I was just referring to your post that most teams want optimal dps/healers and I agree , but no one gets chance to learn if they cant get a team in the first place or existing ones want it overnight. Think theres only a very few people that flat out refuse tbh. Apologise for edit I know what he meant and agree with him as well but no amount of trying to blame my attitude towards my team will change the fact that I didnt refuse anyway and tried my best, although found i impossible to do in situation. Forgive me for saying but there been alot of posts here that state that healer dps is wanted and required and suggests that you cant get in team that has those 'standards' So maybe its not just my statement of my experience that puts pressure there? Ill entierly agree the pressure exists though but it wasnt put there by me

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Sorry to edit but dont know how to do it till after I post yes noobish looking but dont see edit function.

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After you posted something and sent it there will be a button saying "edit" in the lower right corner of each of your post. Click it to avoid the restriction of 1.000 words. :)
It is a common thing to post something like "Placeholder /10char", because a post needs at least 10 characters and then people edit and write as much as they want to.

You can also click "quote" below various posts of others and then copy what you want to quote and paste it into another post of yours. That way you don't need >1 posts to answer to various people. ^^

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Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves

After you posted something and sent it there will be a button saying "edit" in the lower right corner of each of your post. Click it to avoid the restriction of 1.000 words. :)
It is a common thing to post something like "Placeholder /10char", because a post needs at least 10 characters and then people edit and write as much as they want to.

You can also click "quote" below various posts of others and then copy what you want to quote and paste it into another post of yours. That way you don't need >1 posts to answer to various people. ^^

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Thank you /10char is that it?

Yes. :) You can also write "editing" or whatever, so people know there will be more added soon, because you have to post it first, and edit it afterwards. So people can wait until you finished your edits completely and don't answer before you were able to type everything. ^^

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Originally Posted by Feyona

There seems bit of mis understanding about my old static

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Thats fine, there was always going to be some misunderstanding, for example you have never once mentioned that you were invited under the explicit impression that it was a casual group. Kicking someone for underperforming is fine, but what isn't fine is them misinforming the standard in which is expected, that is the primary, and likely only issue with the situation and that puts them in the wrong. Expecting a pro healer isn't a bad thing, quite the opposite, but like with anything, communication and clarity is extreamly important.

I know you tried, and I know that you push yourself as a healer, and I'm sorry if any wires were crossed. I want you to understand, and I hope this has come across through the patience and frankly deep and thought provoking discussion that has happened in this thread, that healer DPS is a truly complex issue, and that your problem actually has nothing to do with that. The fault lies with the presentation of your invitation, and the fact that the standard that was expected was not made clear before you joined, and you suffered because of poor communication from them.

People complain about this discussion and how long it has stretched on for, but I have actually had a blast, learned a lot of things myself, and I feel like this is one of the most deep and thought provoking discussions about mechanical and social trends within this game that I have ever had on the forums, and that is what raiding is about, learning more about how the game works and how people work together to challenge the difficult content. Thanks everyone for the discussion :)

I feel like I've learned a lot too. Thanks everyone who stayed patient and positive. And a big thanks to Feyona for putting up with a lot of frustration on both ends as we worked toward understanding. I was initially pretty argumentative but now that I've come to understand, I appreciate what Feyona has been trying to convey and apologize if I've come across as adversarial.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4

Hehe I had to xD but great way to bring up your ideas I've been lurking and reading this it's great to see some PR in this thread was a wild ride!

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Thats fine, there was always going to be some misunderstanding,


People complain about this discussion and how long it has stretched on for, but I have actually had a blast, learned a lot of things myself, and I feel like this is one of the most deep and thought provoking discussions about mechanical and social trends within this game that I have ever had on the forums, and that is what raiding is about, learning more about how the game works and how people work together to challenge the difficult content. Thanks everyone for the discussion :)

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Thank you Lambdafish its good that people have come to an uderstanding of each other and sorry if I came across confrontationally. It does make me feel better when it can be like this. I do realise that alot of what you put was meant to be supportive so I appreciate your effort.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

I feel like I've learned a lot too. Thanks everyone who stayed patient and positive. And a big thanks to Feyona for putting up with a lot of frustration on both ends as we worked toward understanding. I was initially pretty argumentative but now that I've come to understand, I appreciate what Feyona has been trying to convey and apologize if I've come across as adversarial.

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I thank you as well bounddreamer for that one post that you did summed up what Ive been trying to say for pages and pages but , its good we got there in the end. I want everyone to enjoy what they do in game so I hope you continue to enjoy yours. Wishing you all the best :)