Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

So we are all agreed, the levelling system is fine, lets pick the next thing to argue for 49 pages about, as this ones getting really boring now.

I DONT LIKE THE COLOUR OF THE SKY!

Discuss.

Something nice I've noticed with this "Big bad powerleveling" is although there is no level sync, a lower level player (say Level 34) can tag along with some friends doing leves or just exping (say rank 44+) and get good exp and have fun with them. Mind you, it hurts the exp of the higher level players and the low level can die much easier but they get the advantage of bringing their lower level friend along and helping him out.

Additionally, so far at least, I've noticed a high volume of exp party shouts. Maybe this will decline as time goes on, (or improve once we get a better partying UI?) it's hard to say. But so far, the powerleveling pros seem to outweigh the cons, lease from my perspective.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Once again when PL become main steam no one going to want to party which then mean other players have to A: Solo or B: get a powerlevel.

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It's still grinding even if it's PLing. If people really want to do quests they will. I do. I do a lot of low level quests even though I receive no experience points.

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Originally Posted by BloodPact

You are stating your opinion as if it was a fact. I´m sure there are people who will still want to party. Not everyone on the server has a PLer and those who do don´t have the person standing there 24/7 waiting for him to decide to get some exp.

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Once again when something become main stream it's going to happen there noting but powerlevel in my world even the JP and RMT are doing it.

and for a price someone would always powerlevel and seeing how now it not that easy to make money people be happy to powerlevel someone for 80k a hour.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

It's still grinding even if it's PLing. If people really want to do quests they will. I do. I do a lot of low level quests even though I receive no experience points.

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It's not grinding when the person can /follow watch a movie come back and gain 10+level within a movie.

@vahzl: This should not be allow someone just skip 30 level without doing anything should never be allow in a game. they have to fix this asap

Agreed with the above

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

It's not grinding when the person can /follow watch a movie come back and gain 10+level within a movie.

@vahzl: This should not be allow someone just skip 30 level without doing anything should never be allow in a game. they have to fix this asap

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It still takes someone to grind that xp.

What makes you think your opinion should be signed law?

Nobody is going to be PLed to max level like you seem to suggest, and even if they do who cares anymore, not like there is some vast amazing end game to run around in. There is nothing waiting at max level to work for so why do you suggest people should invest so much effort into it?

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

So we are all agreed, the levelling system is fine, lets pick the next thing to argue for 49 pages about, as this ones getting really boring now.

I DONT LIKE THE COLOUR OF THE SKY!

Discuss.

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The sun makes the color of the sky, which means we should fix the sun.

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Originally Posted by Chain

It still takes someone to grind that xp.

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Ever hear of RMT? Yeah, if PLing becomes by far the best way to level up, that will become their pot of gold.

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Nobody is going to be PLed to max level like you seem to suggest, and even if they do who cares anymore, not like there is some vast amazing end game to run around in. There is nothing waiting at max level to work for so why do you suggest people should invest so much effort into it?

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So your argument is that because there's nothing waiting at endgame, we should introduce a way to get there faster and shorten the rest of the game/make the other content for those levels obsolete? Wow. GENIUS!

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Originally Posted by Chain

It still takes someone to grind that xp.

What makes you think your opinion should be signed law?

Nobody is going to be PLed to max level like you seem to suggest, and even if they do who cares anymore, not like there is some vast amazing end game to run around in. There is nothing waiting at max level to work for so why do you suggest people should invest so much effort into it?

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YEAH! What she said!

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Ever hear of RMT? Yeah, if PLing becomes by far the best way to level up, that will become their pot of gold.


So your argument is that because there's nothing waiting at endgame, we should introduce a way to get there faster and shorten the rest of the game/make the other content for those levels obsolete? Wow. GENIUS!

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Coming from a 38 glad.

WHAT CONTENT? Let me guess you think 40 levels of leves and caravans should be considered content, rofl.
I had concerns at one point but no longer. I was pissed about the RMT also until I woke up and realized they have limited presence in this game due to the fact that nobody is willing to pay for this game let alone buy currency for it.

Let them PL for no reason, what are they going to do, monopolize Shposhae?! scary!

It's been one year and still limited content so it's safe to say that the real job system will be here long before real content is added to the game. It appears these will not be solo jobs and will more than likely be the jobs that matter, not these silly DoW/DoM we have now. Stop acting like the sky is falling, genius

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Originally Posted by Chain

Coming from a 38 glad.

WHAT CONTENT? Let me guess you think 40 levels of leves and caravans should be considered content, rofl.
I had concerns at one point but no longer. I was pissed about the RMT also until I woke up and realized they have limited presence in this game due to the fact that nobody is willing to pay for this game let along buy currency for it.

Let them PL for no reason, what are they going to do, monopolize Shposhae?! scary!

It's been one year and still limited content so it's safe to say that the real job system will be here long before real content is added to the game. Stop acting like the sky is falling, genius

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The game has sh*t for content as a whole. But because of that fact doesn't mean we should remove a huge portion of the game, leveling, so that people reach the end quicker and have nothing to do. That's the worst argument I've ever heard.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Ever hear of RMT? Yeah, if PLing becomes by far the best way to level up, that will become their pot of gold.


So your argument is that because there's nothing waiting at endgame, we should introduce a way to get there faster and shorten the rest of the game/make the other content for those levels obsolete? Wow. GENIUS!

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Face it, bearded old man. Your intellect argument ends here. You're just throwing out one reason after another to look for a way around making a rule just because you 'feel' it is wrong. To say "oh noes RMT will be involved" is the lamest excuse. RMT are involved in all activity.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

The game has sh*t for content as a whole. But because of that fact doesn't mean we should remove a huge portion of the game, leveling, so that people reach the end quicker and have nothing to do. That's the worst argument I've ever heard.

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So you propose people have to drag out the worst portion of the game in agony, such a better idea!

I'd be willing to come PL your marauder and conj by the way.. for... a.... PRICE /evilgrin bwahahahha

I hope this is fixed monday =[ ... getting every job to 40 in 3 days? Thats stupid @_@

Already is being done, seeing people shout in Ul'dah offering their..."expertise" at 150-300k an hour.

And the tragic thing is, people are biting. Congratulations, Yoshi, you have made a system where high levels can prey on lower levels. I highly advise implementing open world PvP in the next patch, we could use low level ganking to complete this downward spiral, perhaps a /teabag emote while you are at it.

but im not getting my hopes up.

To be honest, the early adopters always feel miffed when the newcomers have it easier, better, and cheaper than they did. It's a jealousy that can't be cured, no matter what product you're dealing with.

All we're witnessing here is the cane-wagging of old guard end-gamers saying how they had to walk to rank 50 wearing a heavy pack, climbing uphill in the snow (both ways!), and how these new rank 50 characters can't appreciate hard work...

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Originally Posted by Chain

So you propose people have to drag out the worst portion of the game in agony, such a better idea!

I'd be willing to come PL your marauder and conj by the way.. for... a.... PRICE /evilgrin bwahahahha

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How about somewhere in between the two? I know, it's totally unreasonable, but I'm sure the community could adapt with a system that's well balanced for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

How about somewhere in between the two? I know, it's totally unreasonable, but I'm sure the community could adapt with a system that's well balanced for everyone.

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I'd be all for it, but right now I don't see PLing being that big of a deal, I've been all over the map since patch and I don't see swarms of people powerleveling at all, atleast on gyshal. It's just another knee jerk over-reaction as usual.

What I have seen though are many many more people doing behest and leves solo and duo.

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Originally Posted by Chain

What I have seen though are many many more people doing behest and leves solo and duo.

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/raises hand

Like myself and my wife. Not so much on the behests at the moment, but leves and the occasional mob camp if they drop something we can use or sell.

Yoshi said FFXIV is "around 50% to actually being a real FF game" i see this as a way of bringing people back to the game, which is better for everyone in the long run, because if FFXIV in 6-9 months doesn't see an influx in people logging in then Yoshi/SquareEnix's work will be for nothing and we will see this project scraped.

I know it frustrating to see PLing on such a "giving" scale but its bringing people back on top of the other changes. I know everyone here has seen an influx in players logging in and playing. I know for a fact its bringing people back because i'm one of them. And this really won't matter in a year or so time when they increase level caps and make the required exp to level a billion or something stupid.

So give it time and try to relax, and maybe get one of your friends to help you level one of the other classes you like.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

To be honest, the early adopters always feel miffed when the newcomers have it easier, better, and cheaper than they did. It's a jealousy that can't be cured, no matter what product you're dealing with.

All we're witnessing here is the cane-wagging of old guard end-gamers saying how they had to walk to rank 50 wearing a heavy pack, climbing uphill in the snow (both ways!), and how these new rank 50 characters can't appreciate hard work...

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Several of the people who have a problem with it in this thread alone are not 50. Like me. And if it stays this way, I'll never hit it because there's no point.

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

I hope this is fixed monday =[ ... getting every job to 40 in 3 days? Thats stupid @_@

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Not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Several of the people who have a problem with it in this thread alone are not 50. Like me. And if it stays this way, I'll never hit it because there's no point.

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I'm not at 50 either, but, I don't think it's a big deal. Getting to 50 is not intended to be a Big Deal. It's just supposed to hook you long enough to stick around. :p

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I just want to point out to those of you making comments like these that you are completely devoid of integrity in this. If you had integrity, you would exercise the option of taking the hard path, but instead you choose the easy and blame others for not forcing your hand. You do not deserve any effort from the dev team towards your entertainment since you are taking what's right there in front of you and ruining it yourself, like a spoiled little kid that breaks its toys because its upset.

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Statements like this are a poor excuse for systems like the one currently in place. When this is available most people do not do it because its easier. Most people get sucked into these PLs because one member of a party inevitably pulls in a PL. You cant just leave a party every time a PL shows up or you would never have a party.

The fact is, that in a Game where PLing is such a massive advantage over standard leveling people then become required to participate. You have to have so many max characters or you have to have all the best abilities. LS will not accept any reason for you not to because you can "just get a PL". When you make the difference between PL and not PL so drastic it becomes the norm and people who refuse to participate get left behind. They HAVE to conform or they will be rejected.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I'm not at 50 either, but, I don't think it's a big deal. Getting to 50 is not intended to be a Big Deal. It's just supposed to hook you long enough to stick around. :p

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Yes it is, getting Max level in an MMO is the first great achievement any player can get. In a normal MMO you say I GOT MAX LEVEL. Your excited people are excited for you, often times there is at least a minor celebration. To rob people of the Joy of finally getting max level is despicable. There is no other feeling in any MMO that comes close to the pure elation of finally getting your first Max level character. The only thing that ever came close in any of the twenty some odd MMOs i've played was getting my relic in XI. A feet that was so pain stakingly time consuming and difficult that most people never even got that joy.

When anybody can hit max level in a day and a half, no one cares..

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Originally Posted by Kiote

A feet

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http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Pumps
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the word is feat

/10Characters

Wow i am amazed at how many people are actually up for this and defending it.

First of all this is not WoW ( sorry for comparison but this is what bread the "new lazy mmorpg" mentality ) getting to max level should not and is not the only way to get content/etc on a mmorpg. Playing through levels and experiencing several things/fights/deaths/win/loss are all experience part of a rpg. Getting to max level to "start" playing a game is not the intend and should never be that way. One of the greatest things about ff11 was that there was so much to do and a lot of excitement and achievement for getting new things every couple of levels just like this game with missions and new skills/etc. Why are people wanting to get max level if there is not much at max level anyways?

I do not condole or agree with people who want things given to them with no effort in their part, why are they playing online rpg if they just want a single player experience? its like playing a console rpg or any game with cheat codes, sure its fun for a little while but the fun is short lived.

The mechanics int he game is clearly broken its nothing that can be debated, a level 1 person gettign cap xp from level 50+ enemy should not be allowed and on top of the new "AoE' friendly system it just breaks the game.

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linkshell mates/friends and people on server getting repeated 2-3 class 1-40 in a single day @.@. We tested it out when patch was released and its no b.s matter its a real issue.

everyone that just ignore it doesn't mean its there and effect the game, if people can just jump to level 40+ in less than a few hours it kills crafters because armor in low level worthless due to people "leeching" their way to max level. It also kills the "achievement" of getting max level cap. This is like having a pro Olympic champion participating at a little league game.

To people that want free levels, not sure if its a"new generation mentality" but mmorpg are about having fun through all levels, exploring the game thorough all levels are part of the game, if you don't enjoy it why play online rpg? This is seriously sickening when people are too lazy to play a video game which is made for entertainment. What fun would lets say a baseball game be when one team can just sit on their ass and win?

P.S- yes this is a terrible part of the game now and just because people ignore it doesn't mean the mass will, sooner or later people won't bother with leves when they can just sit on their lazy ass and get 40 levels. Soon everyone will be level50 everything and there will be nothing left to do in the game. I hope SE fixes this soon.

"Quote Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker View Post
I hope this is fixed monday =[ ... getting every job to 40 in 3 days? Thats stupid @_@
Not gonna happen. "

yes it has happened a lot and i have witness it happen from various people in our server, one guy gets 7-12 enemy........AoE.......boom everyone gets 85% of a level this is ridiculous

@Alkaiser completely and totally agree with every single thing you wrote. Makes me feel good to see people still believing in what we have and not praising what were getting now.

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Originally Posted by Midge

Something nice I've noticed with this "Big bad powerleveling" is although there is no level sync, a lower level player (say Level 34) can tag along with some friends doing leves or just exping (say rank 44+) and get good exp and have fun with them. Mind you, it hurts the exp of the higher level players and the low level can die much easier but they get the advantage of bringing their lower level friend along and helping him out.

Additionally, so far at least, I've noticed a high volume of exp party shouts. Maybe this will decline as time goes on, (or improve once we get a better partying UI?) it's hard to say. But so far, the powerleveling pros seem to outweigh the cons, lease from my perspective.

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Yeah, this is what Yoshi-P intended for people to do, to use their high level characters with their friends and to get some exp while the lower players try to participate (but stay wary of things that may kill them). That is the only good thing that came out of this change, but at the same time it's being exploited at the cost of the MMO's eventual longevity, which is the issue here.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Statements like this are a poor excuse for systems like the one currently in place. When this is available most people do not do it because its easier. Most people get sucked into these PLs because one member of a party inevitably pulls in a PL. You cant just leave a party every time a PL shows up or you would never have a party.

The fact is, that in a Game where PLing is such a massive advantage over standard leveling people then become required to participate. You have to have so many max characters or you have to have all the best abilities. LS will not accept any reason for you not to because you can "just get a PL". When you make the difference between PL and not PL so drastic it becomes the norm and people who refuse to participate get left behind. They HAVE to conform or they will be rejected.

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That's simply not true. You could PL all day every day in XI but parties I ever had there with a PL were like 1% of the time. This goes for any MMO. The vast majority of people in a successful MMO are not high level. You yourself are already at max length so you're just speculating because you haven't experienced it yourself. No, I have a better clue as to why you feel so strongly.. you feel ripped off. You don't feel better than someone who got PLed. Your confidence is threatened.

In a game.

well thats what you do in a party.. It's all about easy exp.

There seems to be a handful of people here that refuse to see the truth of the damage this could do to the game. It's like ignorance, the folly of man.

It's not about jealousy from veterans from launch.
It's not about pride, or gloating from the top of the mountain.
It's not about greed, it's not like anyone wants to have a "special class" by being 50. (That notion already doesn't exist.)
It's not about the lack of content, that is being fixed every patch.

It. Simply. Breaks. The. Game.
I don't know how this couldn't be any more clear, any more true, any more resoundingly correct.

It doesn't "break" the game if it's an intended mechanic.

Yes it potentially hurts longevity, but so does every day that goes by without a new patch or the PS3 release.

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Originally Posted by Issac

There seems to be a handful of people here that refuse to see the truth of the damage this could do to the game. It's like ignorance, the folly of man.

It's not about jealousy from veterans from launch.
It's not about pride, or gloating from the top of the mountain.
It's not about greed, it's not like anyone wants to have a "special class" by being 50. (That notion already doesn't exist.)
It's not about the lack of content, that is being fixed every patch.

It. Simply. Breaks. The. Game.
I don't know how this couldn't be any more clear, any more true, any more resoundingly correct.

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Maybe if it concerned DoH but it doesn't so you're wrong. How do you break a broken game anyways?

You're so wrong you'll probably never be right on anything for the rest of your life.

We need 6 more thumbs on the OP for an even 100. I hope we can get this by Monday.

And god do I hope this is fixed.

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Originally Posted by Chain

You're so wrong you'll probably never be right on anything for the rest of your life.

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I'm not even going to...
Just, lol. Weak.

Wonder if they will do a rollback from all the people going from Lv 1-10ish to Lv40 within a day... (I'd love to be doing that for my crafting) O_o

... I should do that for my cnj/thm hmmm...

I've seen people run around just equip every aoe and plow through the mass groups of low lvl stuff with 2-3+ following them around, kind of funny to watch.

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Originally Posted by Halvaard_Vidan

It doesn't "break" the game if it's an intended mechanic.

Yes it potentially hurts longevity, but so does every day that goes by without a new patch or the PS3 release.

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Maybe you don't read or maybe you don't understand it broken due to the fact that you get the full amoumt of exp for someone killing a high level mob for you. Listen to my words "YOSHI-P SAID YOU WONT GET THAT MUCH EXP IF SOMEONE KILL A HIGHER MOB FOR YOU!!!!!!!!"

Also we asking them to take it off because it not right.