The Monk Temple

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Originally Posted by kataly

A seemingly knowledgeable PUG wrote this: http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/monk-dps-guide-v2.14/

In it, he states: Could be used if you cannot do your rotation for some reason and if you can go behind target. But overall it is not worth the global cooldown, since your rotation all in all deals more damage.
But the main reason, why it is bad to use is not the lack in damage (which will not be true any longer if you have enough crit and haste) but the high TP amount.

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I don't understand the point, i use Impulsive Drive only when i'm full staked without running out of them, and since it deals more damage than any other skill i can't see why i shouldn't use it.Is not like i'm not doing my combo for impulsive drive, i just have time for some additional skill before restart my rotation to deal more damage, i also never had TP problem, i don't eaven look at them, maybe it will be different once capped the level but for now is just impossibile to run out of tp.I'm lvl 43 anyway, since that build is based on a lvl 50 maybe i will have somethin better than impulsive drive to put on my rotation, but for now i really like it, today with the duble Impulsive Drive i did 264 and 243 in a row wich are my best crits so far.
Once again sorry for my english.

I don't know about you, but I don't see how you'll have room for Impulse Drive at 50. You'll always want to pick up Blood for Blood, Invigorate and Mercy Stroke. Bloodbath is a nice skill to have to help offset Blood for Blood's major drawback, and Feint is good because it doesn't require you to dodge something to activate (unlike Haymaker) yet also allows you to refresh the slow without having to let it drop off first.

I would have to say Pugilist is my fav. class to start. I tried others but nothing sticks like a good combo and just some face bashing with the fist. I started my guy a couple days ago, cause I didnt feel like playing with my gladiator. A tanker is not a role for me hahahaha.

So far I am loving the changes to monk but I was wondering what happened to Asuran fists? That was my favorite skill =(

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Originally Posted by Odiato

I don't understand the point, i use Impulsive Drive only when i'm full staked without running out of them, and since it deals more damage than any other skill i can't see why i shouldn't use it[...].I'm lvl 43 anyway, since that build is based on a lvl 50 maybe i will have somethin better than impulsive drive to put on my rotation, but for now i really like it, today with the duble Impulsive Drive

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Every Bootshine is a crit when you stick to your rotation, which will do more damage than Impulse Drive (but less damage than a crit ID).
Here's an 8-step simulation, assuming a single target and ideal execution:

[With Impulse Drive]
ID>ID>Snap>Boot>Twin>ID>ID>Snap = 1415
180 180 180 195 140 180 180 180

[Without Impulse Drive]
Snap>Boot>Twin>Snap>Boot>True>Snap>Boot = 1415
180 195 140 180 195 150 180 195

In 8 steps, you gain nothing using Impulse Drive over your standard rotation unless your IDs crit. However, if you need to reapply ToD or perform any other cooldown action, you will end up sacrificing an ID or risk losing GL.

Looking at a 16-step simulation:

[With Impulse Drive]
ID>ID>Snap>Boot>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>Boot>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>Boot>Twin>ID = 2805
180 180 180 195 140 180 180 180 195 140 180 180 180 195 140 180

[Without Impulse Drive]
Snap>Boot>Twin>Snap>Boot>True>Snap>Boot>Twin>Snap>Boot>True>Snap>Boot>Twin>Snap = 2775
180 195 140 180 195 150 180 195 140 180 195 150 180 195 140 180

Including GL buildup, this will be somewhere around the 60-second mark. You can see ID pulls slightly ahead. Note that you will have to use Twin Snakes in your rotation every time in order to maintain its bonus. At lv.50 this will also apply to Dragon Kick--except Dragon Kick doesn't get a free crit and won't do as much direct damage as Bootshine.

Let's consider a 20-step simulation at lv.50:

[With Impulse Drive]
ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin = 3320
180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140

[Without Impulse Drive]
Snap>DK>Twin>Snap>Boot>True>Snap>DK>Twin>Snap>Boot>True>Snap>DK>Twin>Snap>Boot>True>Snap>DK>Twin = 3455
180 150 140 180 195 150 180 150 140 180 195 150 180 150 140 180 195 150 180 150 140

At 20 steps with DK involved, the potency of a pure MNK rotation is higher while maintaining DK/TS damage bonuses. This is before we even consider things like ToD.

tl;dr
Prior to lv.50, any extra damage you get from mixing Impulse Drive into your rotation is marginal at best. It is also extremely risky and occupies GCD you could spend on other cooldown skills. Once you are lv.50, there is no point in using ID at all.

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Originally Posted by Jarinolde

I don't know about you, but I don't see how you'll have room for Impulse Drive at 50. You'll always want to pick up Blood for Blood, Invigorate and Mercy Stroke. Bloodbath is a nice skill to have to help offset Blood for Blood's major drawback, and Feint is good because it doesn't require you to dodge something to activate (unlike Haymaker) yet also allows you to refresh the slow without having to let it drop off first.

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That's for sure, but is not like i can spam these skills, Blood for Blodd -> 80 sec, Mercy Stroke ->90 (and only with the boss is below 20%) Bloodbath ->90 and anyway they don't share the gcd, so i can just use them while my main rotation is on cd without losing time or just some milliseconds.Anyway u'r right, i don't think that i will use impulsive drive as much as i'm doing right now since there are a lots of stuff to do, but i'll use it everytime i have some time for it without running out of staks and dots.

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[With Impulse Drive]
ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin = 3320
180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140

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That's true, but u always considered Impulsive Drive as a clean hit.

ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin>ID>ID>Snap>DK>Twin = 3500
270 270 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140 180 180 180 150 140

In this rotation there are 8 Impulsive Drive, and only with 2 crits u exeed the damage of the rotation without them, and with Internal Release is not hard at all.
Like i said before i really belive that at lvl 50 i won't just put them in every rotation since there are more stuff to do, i'm using impulsive drive only after the main skills if i have time to do so.
Anyway i'm still lvl 43 so i don't know the actual time i will have to use impulsive drive in my final rotation, i'll see if it will be worth it or not.

I'm not sure how a mnk can run out of TP with invigorate, even if he does spam rock breaker or something... TPs aren't really that high for mnks and they have a bunch of CD skills to make up for openings in rotation.

ID is pretty unnecessary as it neither contributes that much to LB, nor does it have that much beneficial effects since mnks loose their archer abilities from pug. If you were a pug, ya ID is pretty nice after stacking grease-straight-raging-spam-spam-spam....but sadly it wasn't meant to be.

I would rather throw in a feint, or stuns, or any other dots to charge that LB.

2s GCD is BS since it only appears in the theoretical world. the Animations itself exceed 2s when you string it together. And there's no real way to beat the animation sequences. It's more effective to pay attention to the fight then your rotations, and make quicker judgements to react to.

Any rotations per level? I see a lot of rotation for when you hit level 50, just need some suggestions for say level 22 and such

I just completed a dungeon and this time i paid more attention to my damage and i saw this:

Bootshine critted -> 175
Impulsive Drive -> 160
Impulsive Drive critted -> 245

I did this count all the dungeon so this is an approssimative damage but is always the same, the difference between bootshine and impulsive drive (clean) is somethin about 10 and 15 points, while a critted impulsive drive is somethin about 65-70 damage more than bootshine.