Predictions for OC/FT Live Letter

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Yes but if they don't have balls then we really are fckd. Or they just don't talk to us once again. Or they start outright lying.
Yes the balls indeed.

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I get it.

But I rather hear action instead of reasons.

Saying: As a response to feedback, we will make sure that in the future we implement content for both groups for each patch, and this is how ->
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We would like to hear your feedback on these plans so we can get them as quickily as possible.


That is way better than:
Sorry guys, we had to make a choice and we decided to not give casuals interesting content. Another raid to the raiders. By the way, we decided that the raids are to be frustrating to raiders to even get in.

To give some credit, they did say they mean to make a casual normal mode for the next OC.... which releases.... in a year???? And they said it in a way that states they originally weren't planing to...
I guess the casual playerbase is finally getting DD in August, wait no its probably in the .5 patch so October???

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

Don't they realise the big 'fuck you' this is to most of the playerbase... I've been critical for a long time, but up until now, I always wanted them to get back in track. Now I want to see them fail hard. How could they achieve to ignore 3 years of complaints and FT was their answer...

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I think it's more infuriating that they are just throwing the raid into the bin (essicently) and said nothing about some of the rewards in there that more casual players want to collect.

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

Translation was a bit unclear, either they're adding a normal mode down the line, or the next one will have a normal mode (that information is certain, just not sure about the normal mode for the first one)

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Forked Tower isn't getting a normal mode but they're going to try to include one for the raid in the next zone.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

They didn't say it was savage, just "harder".

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Yeah, no, you're right. They're really good at that kind of nuance, just look at their track record.

For all we know, the harder DD boss may not be that hard. The issue is that while soloing is challenging, a group can make it easier, so making a part of it that is specifically for a group makes sense.

My hope for it is for it not to be as tough as Criterion but to be something you can scramble 3 FC members into a party for.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

They didn't say it was savage, just "harder".
More annoying it's locked behind doing 100 floors of Deep Dungeon, though, since most people will stop at whatever the story floor is (like floor 30 for HoH/EO), though finding groups for Deep Dungeon isn't too bad... So long as it's not annoying like EO was.

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WHAT! They couldn't afford an FT normal, but they could afford a deep dungeon savage, which lets face it, they will have been working on already.
Well then they were being honest, they could afford it, but they gave the budget to Savage.

... actually what am I doign giving them prais for being honest.

You W@#£$!

You could afford an FT normal, but you spent the FT normal budget on a Chaotic savage, and a Deep dungeon Savage, and then kept the FT savage too.
You coud afford it but you just gave our budget away to this BS.

If you don't like that interpretation CB3. You don't have to wait until the next live letter to clarify.

Nah I feel sorry for them now

And I regret my W@:#r$ outburst.
I apologise to the SE team.

But I'd just been defending them for being honest and then I heard the prospect of another Deep Dungeon savage and I remembered the money they chose to spend on Chaotic and it was just too much. Not cool of me. Not the first time.

Ive completed all DD minus POTD, I'm actually happy they're adding another fight for players who clear the dungeon. Either way, I'm not opposing the idea to dedicate an extra fight for whatever reason.
Just don't act like deep dungeons aren't meant for the casual audience, cause they are. The bosses barely have mechanics and memorizing 3 mechanics per Boss, isn't difficult.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

They didn't say it was savage, just "harder".

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Ha ha. Given their track record, this raises all the red flags for me.

"We wanted to make it a bit harder, but we made it savage instead, oppsie teehee!"

...now where have I heard that before? x)

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

For all we know, the harder DD boss may not be that hard. The issue is that while soloing is challenging, a group can make it easier, so making a part of it that is specifically for a group makes sense.

My hope for it is for it not to be as tough as Criterion but to be something you can scramble 3 FC members into a party for.

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If they brought back the demiclone system then a harder one-off floor 99 boss makes sense, since demiclones utterly trivialize the fight otherwise. It was a big flaw of the system in EO where demiclones weren't really worth using on normal floors (in a group, anyway) and people tended to just save a bunch of onion knights to kill the 99 boss before it could do anything.

Dunno if that's the actual reason, but it's a possibility.

Regarding the 'harder' boss of the Deep Dungeon, did I understand it right that it's not necessary to do it to complete the DD per se, but that it only unlocks as an optional fight after completion of the duty?

Because that way it would at least not impact a run for let's say a solo player.