Thematic issues. Why all the sci fi.

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

So a sci-fi cyberpunk mega city with neon ads and Starbucks is now considered Magitek?
Thanks for clearing that up.

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The cyberpunk mega city fueled by magical rocks, yes.

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

So a sci-fi cyberpunk mega city with neon ads and Starbucks is now considered Magitek?
Thanks for clearing that up.

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It... factually is, this is very thoroughly explained, all their technology is fueled by Electrope, which is a material that serves as a catalyst for aether conversion, Solution Nine is a city absolutely brimming with magical energy.

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

So a sci-fi cyberpunk mega city with neon ads and Starbucks is now considered Magitek?
Thanks for clearing that up.

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you are right, should be call "Electroptek"

Magitek is a very specific thing of reverse engineered allagan tek.
But they can just fart out a full Star Wars rip off insert for all I care. Doesnt mean I need to laud it as logical worldbuilding or good writing.

Solution 9 is a clear insert of cyberpunk. My main issue is still how they are using Sharlayan and the loporrits to fart out tek since Endwalker. Dawntrail might be a crap story, but Endwalker sowed the seeds for all of this with how they rushed.q

It's funny seeing people complain about tech when there's a giant mecha steam punk time machine with transforming robots and fighter jets hanging out in HW.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Magitek is a very specific thing of reverse engineered allagan tek.
But they can just fart out a full Star Wars rip off insert for all I care. Doesnt mean I need to laud it as logical worldbuilding or good writing.

Solution 9 is a clear insert of cyberpunk. My main issue is still how they are using Sharlayan and the loporrits to fart out tek since Endwalker. Dawntrail might be a crap story, but Endwalker sowed the seeds for all of this with how they rushed.q

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Dalamud was just a hecking huge industrial source of magick and a prison in space and in endwalker we had a Moon being a spaceship. Fact is both were almost design by ancient. Nothing very... farfetch here.

Solution 9 being a cyberpunk city is not so stupid and w/o any sens. Electricty is a source of power, if you look at us a civilisation, since electricity is a thing we are taking the "same step" (as an image of course...) they were just faster than us and have good electricity storage device (what we do lack of thos). There is sens in Solution 9 imo

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Originally Posted by CalvinDescoles

Dalamud was just a hecking huge industrial source of magick and a prison in space and in endwalker we had a Moon being a spaceship. Fact is both were almost design by ancient. Nothing very... farfetch here.

Solution 9 being a cyberpunk city is not so stupid and w/o any sens. Electricty is a source of power, if you look at us a civilisation, since electricity is a thing we are taking the "same step" (as an image of course...) they were just faster than us and have good electricity storage device (what we do lack of thos). There is sens in Solution 9 imo

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You can try to write it for the writers all you like. But there is 0% chance that Solution 9 wasnt directly inspired by Cyberpunk and because it was / is popular.
SE is probably gonna be in panic after they run out of FF's to rip off. They might have to start being original again.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

This is already happening with Garlond Ironworks.

They’ve already been supplying Eorzea with airships and motorcycles. They also have had computers they seem to be using for themselves. But they have been spending most of their time and resources on technology to fight a worldwide war against the country they defected from. Since the world is at peace now I’m sure they’d be realistically supplying Eorzea with Garlean tech.

Garlemald was already a superpower and Allag was before them so I don’t think Alexandria would be the first, just the only. They very nearly got there before we stopped them but the story is still new and we have more patches to go to see where their place in world society ends up.

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Who in Eorzea is riding a motorcycle? Why is airship service still dependent on wooden craft lifted by gas bags that move at the speed of smell? Why are goods still moved with chocobo-drawn carts? Why were the fighting forces of the three Great Nations using axes, swords, and bows to take on an army equipped with machine guns, armor, and long range artillery? You can't tell me that after years of cold war and open conflict with Garlemald, every Wood Wailer, Brass Blade, and Yellowjacket wouldn't step over his own mother to get his hands on a modern repeating firearm.

Again, the tech itself isn't the problem, it's the inconsistency of its use and implementation. The technology exits in the vacuum of the MSQ or side stories, and we're just supposed to accept it. Koana went to Sharlayan and learned about aetherytes, then went home and built a continent-spanning aetheryte network. Okay, cool; but how? He couldn't do it entirely by himself, but he also wouldn't be able to teach the countless engineers, technicians, and construction workers needed for such a project. What about his train to nowhere? Where are the steel mills that made the plate for the locomotive, and the rails? Maybe the steel was imported, but who in the known world has that kind of manufacturing capacity aside from Garlemald?

I could keep going on, but I'll stop for now. Unless 8.0 completely remakes the world, we will always have this incongruity between medieval fantasy and high-technology that doesn't mesh very well. Good sci-fi, just like a good magic system, has to have rules and logic. You can't just make stuff up willy-nilly and expect your readers/watchers/players to not question it.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

It's funny seeing people complain about tech when there's a giant mecha steam punk time machine with transforming robots and fighter jets hanging out in HW.

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Alexander's design is much more preferable and blends in better to the fantasy world than solution 9/cosmic exploration/loporrit tech does. Not to mention they don't have cars and motorcycles just sitting around as props. Like someone here said, sure you can make an excuse to bring those designs into the world, but that doesn't mean it blends in well or that its good.

Wuk Lamat could discover a relic her dad was storing in the back of the palace that she uses to power herself up and challenge you to a duel and beat you in front of everyone despite the fact you're the WOL. And when it does your only dialogue option could be to congratulate her and tell her she's become the greatest hero the star has seen. It CAN happen, it just wouldn't be a good addition to the game.

It's not about the existance of sci-fi, its the low effort of just inserting a city that looks like our current gaming PCs, adding our current phones, energy drinks, cars, etc.

Old FF games had tech, yes, but they were all stylized in a way that made them unique and fit the world because the ppl who came up with the designs were actually creative and had skills. And then the writers were also skilled enough to make it make sense within that world. There is absolutely no reason S9 couldn't completely overrun the entire world with the armada that attacked Tural, much less their entire army. The woodwailers in Grid would have no chance against a cyborg with a laser gun much less 100 cyborgs with laser guns and a warship with tech that is hundreds if not thousands of years more advanced than theirs. Unless of course you have the FF power of friendship and tacos.

Anyone can fart out what we are getting now and it doesn't feel like it belongs because it doesn't. It belongs in our world. FFXV imo had this same issue. The moment i saw a irl car and clothing I was instantly turned off of the whole game. That is fine in some games, but it feels just dirty in a FF game. You can have vehicles, that is fine, but make them fit the setting, don't just import our current cars into the game.

Some of you may be content with just being given whatever. But a lot of us have a little higher expectations out of a company that brought us so many amazing, well crafted and carefully thought out FF games.