M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I don't think anyone is claiming that doing savage and ultimate without healers is going to become the new normal.

What people are saying is that it's bad design for the current high-end content to be possible to clear with one role of the trinity removed from the party.

The former is easy to argue against while the latter is impossible to argue against, so it seems like people tend to lump all arguments as the former so they can argue against ghosts.

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The role was still present in a pedantic sense, it was just shared across the board or mostly replaced by the PLD. I have not looked at the logs but I suspect the PLD did not have to clem spam because their normal sustain coupled with the rest of the parties sustain was enough.

This is the balance dilemma, I bet if a DPS had any means to reliably hold aggro and have some decent mit people would be trying to push content without tanks for fun.

Edit: What I am saying is I do not think this would have been possible without something taking over the healer role. So it was possible just not with a green healer, but some form of healer or healing was present.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

This is the balance dilemma, I bet if a DPS had any means to reliably hold aggro and have some decent mit people would be trying to push content without tanks for fun.

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Emergency maintenance in the middle of the weekend. Reason: tank players are unhappy

When I see news like this…

I used to be shocked, but no longer
I used to get upset, but no longer
I used to care about healing, but no longer
I used to be a healer, but no longer

One day, healers will be needed and it will be a beautiful day, but none of us will be left to see it.

Just like a flower will wilt and die without water, so will healers without those who need our healing.

We will simply fade away.

Signed, a White Mage

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Emergency maintenance in the middle of the weekend. Reason: tank players are unhappy

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I would be the first person to sign up for bringing back aggro management, and I would love to see things like chicken nugget tanking come back.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

When I see news like this…

I used to be shocked, but no longer
I used to get upset, but no longer
I used to care about healing, but no longer
I used to be a healer, but no longer

One day, healers will be needed and it will be a beautiful day, but none of us will be left to see it.

Just like a flower will wilt and die without water, so will healers without those who need our healing.

We will simply fade away.

Signed, a White Mage

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Sad truth is most people still need healers and people do seem to enjoy healers as they are. I do not think people woefully overestimate how many healers really want more responsibility, savage PF and even normal mode PF do show that SE has fostered a community that has not improved much over the years.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I would be the first person to sign up for bringing back aggro management, and I would love to see things like chicken nugget tanking come back.

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I'd love aggro management, if it is actually a tank responsibility and not the tank lifting both his feet from his bed on pull and then telling everyone to manage their aggression so they don't have to.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I'd love aggro management, if it is actually a tank responsibility and not the tank lifting both his feet from his bed on pull and then telling everyone to manage their aggression so they don't have to.

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Back then it was a group effort, which is not a bad thing imo.

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Originally Posted by Miki_L

They were desperate to buff Paladin because Thancred's JP voice actor switched off of it in Endwalker because it was so weak. If only celebrities played healer

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Meanwhile YoshiP switched from BLM to Picto as his main.

Which left BLM realizing they are no longer 'safe'.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

When I see news like this…

I used to be shocked, but no longer
I used to get upset, but no longer
I used to care about healing, but no longer
I used to be a healer, but no longer

One day, healers will be needed and it will be a beautiful day, but none of us will be left to see it.

Just like a flower will wilt and die without water, so will healers without those who need our healing.

We will simply fade away.

Signed, a White Mage

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I'm with you on the first two "I used to..." but I still care about healing, want the role to be more fun, and still heal.

As a casual Rouletter, I'm still needed and useful. But it's such a disgrace to see what the role is on the high end.

Tanks and DPS are still needed but in certain combinations completely remove the need for the healer role. This needs to change ASAP.

For those wondering:
@6:51 - 6:59 - 8 clemency cast during boss jump/phase change
@~12:28 - pld #1(player) x1 clemency on dnc after death

9 total clemency hard casts. 1 during uptime

Edit: Linked video was a different one updated times.
Times for original video:
@7:01 - 7:12 - 8 clemency cast during boss jump/phase change
@12:38 - pld #3 x1 clemency on dnc after death

Well, I would argue that healing is obviously still a thing that's required as they brought a bunch of tanks that have a healing spell haha Though I don't think clemency should be good enough for this to be possible. Tank sustain is just too good these days.