We need to compromise as a player base

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I think we probably need to hear from Yoshi-P ...

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Agreed, hopefully no later than the next Live Letter on May 16th.

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

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It’s a lot less that than don’t ruin a good thing with your tantrums. I’m not defending SE in my post. I’m encouraging them to invest big in their game so we benefit instead of going, “eh they’re going to throw a huge fit anyways let’s just keep milking them with a downgraded 10 year old engine from a 14 year old better looking one.”

Ask for changes, but be supportive. How hard is that?

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Originally Posted by Scintilla

Who is to say that this is even remotely possible? I would imagine these changes are integral adaptions to the current system and, I admit, I struggle to see how a simple toggle would be a plausible option at all. Great if it is - those who hate the new look can opt-out of it and those who like it can keep it. But I don't think it's likely. I can't help but think that, again, people are setting unrealistic expectations which will end in disappointment.

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As I stated, I simply do not know if it's possible or not. But since a lot of problems seem to come on specific features that are currently optional, I don't think is that much of a crazy thought? I mean:
-For eyelashes that changed shape and density (much more denser now): currently we have a toggle option on "face features" to choose if we want darker lashes/eyeshadows or not. So maybe an optional "more eyelashes/less eyelashes" to me sounds a plausible thing
-For eyebrows that has changed in density, there is as well a current option that allows you to have thinner or thicker eyebrows, both in the eyebrows section and in the face features section (at least in female wildwood elezen, as example)
-For lips, not talking about the shape of lips (that could be maybe an extra option nº instead of a direct change), but the texture and color, I believe that we could keep the old texture lips as the "nude" option, without lipstick. Since all seem to have a lipstick now regardless...

Definitely it's not something that would fix every single feature, but this tweaks may help to get the appearance of the older character easily, but again I don't know how easy or hard would be, it was just a thought I wanted to share...

I'm an artist and I have done real people portraits, so I can see how a face changes a lot with every little thing, maybe not the overall appearance from affar, but little changes on eyebrows, eye size, nose heigh, can make a difference on someone being recognizable or not, as well as the facial expression (like looking neutral, or angry, just changing a few millimeters the lip corner or the top of eyebrows) (sorry If I overexplained)

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Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant

Agreed, hopefully no later than the next Live Letter on May 16th.

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I was thinking more along the lines of a post in the next couple days.

I mean he did it when people were posting a bunch about the white ravens and this affects a lot more people than that did.

"They look fine to me" "They look the same" "They improved"

Cool but you're not the one going to play their character? It's not up to you to decide if they're the same or not, it's not up to you to decide if it ruins another's experience of the game, your opinion doesn't matter because this is not your character and you're not the one going to stare at them for the next 10 years.

Again, this is not a charity, this is a product, people can and should voice their opinions and dissatisfaction. It's so weird how some formed this parasocial relationship with a multi-billion dollar company, that they think that you're not allowed to voice any dissatisfaction or you're a "child". Apparently, adults are supposed to just consume everything without question. Yes they want to give you something you like so they get paid, not because they love you.

They're here to deliver a PRODUCT, because they want money and satisfied customers give that, they don't do it because you're their friend. It's their job to give you a product worth your money. It's not your business to police others who are paying customers on what they find acceptable. Stop policing others about their feelings.

Both improved graphics and retaining the characteristic looks can exist. Even the benchmark page says that this isn't final, in other words, feedback is needed at this stage before everything gets finalized.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Ask for changes, but be supportive. How hard is that?

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Why should I be supportive of a graphical overhaul I didn't ask for that ruined my character? The eyes, lips, eyebrows and skin look ugly now. Where's the graphical upgrade? They've downgraded my character in every way. If I showed this to someone who doesn't play this game and asked them what they thought of the new graphics, they'd think the new improved graphics are shown in the right picture.

So yeah, SE, here's the change I'm asking: roll it back the way it was.

https://i.postimg.cc/kXfFQ6S3/DTbench-Comparison.png

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I think we probably need to hear from Yoshi-P, since it's clear a lot of the problems are definitely goof ups, so maybe most of the difference are. Like the moonkeeper fangs are probably a mistake and not on purpose, but if they can screw something like that up maybe they screwed up some other things like some lips.

It would be really bizarre if they said all that stuff about not wanting to ruin anyone's image of their character, only to then completely donk up like 1 in every 6 faces on purpose.

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the thing with the moonkeeper fang probably comes from the wish i've seen several times over the years to remove that triangular bite they have. you can see it from below with an open mouth. but removing that also means to remove the reason its there to begin with. to be able to enhance the fsngd to be longer... now couldnt they achieve both nowadays with the money, experience and tech they have? probably and the game makes enough money... they absolutely should.
i just wanted to point out thats not a mistake xD

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Why should I be supportive of a graphical overhaul I didn't ask for that ruined my character? The eyes, lips, eyebrows and skin look ugly now. Where's the graphical upgrade? They've downgraded my character. So yeah, SE, here's the change I'm asking: roll it back the way it was.

https://i.postimg.cc/kXfFQ6S3/DTbench-Comparison.png

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Yeah I disagree, if you want to be uncompromising that’s your call but it makes you far less reasonable and more likely to get ignored. I’ll be honest too, if that’s your request the odds are slim given that chances are they won’t throw however many hundred of thousands of dollars they’ve already invested in it. You could’ve use your time better and ask for things they may actually do instead of cross your arms and pout.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

the thing with the moonkeeper fang probably comes from the wish i've seen several times over the years to remove that triangular bite they have. you can see it from below with an open mouth. but removing that also means to remove the reason its there to begin with. to be able to enhance the fsngd to be longer... now couldnt they achieve both nowadays with the money, experience and tech they have? probably and the game makes enough money... they absolutely should.
i just wanted to point out thats not a mistake xD

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I haven't heard that before, but again I don't think they'd say they don't want to make any major changes and then secretly make a bunch of changes to surprise us with.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I’ll be honest too, if that’s your request the odds are slim given that chances are they won’t throw however many hundred of thousands of dollars they’ve already invested in it.

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They are literally going to lose more money if they implement this, compared to just cutting their losses now. It's that bad.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

You could’ve use your time better and ask for things they may actually do instead of cross your arms and pout.

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Here's a tissue, you've got something brown on your nose.