Fix the bug that actually matters?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's always the same few people doing that honestly, thankfully there's really few of them, I'd say about 10 or less, they will whiteknight and defend the multibillion dollar company at all cost

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They like to claim the game has so much to do, yet they have time to sit in the forums 15 hours a day *think emoji*

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Proper fixes take time. This is...news? Want them to do it fast and have more problems??

Or take their time and do it right?

Which is it??

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I hope you dont genuinely believe making a random number not roll 0 takes time. If you do believe so, you are really detached from reality and probably think programming is black magic.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

even Q&A cannot catch all bugs. thats unrealistic since Q&A is not testing on a live server.

from what appears to happen, its when the servers are under load according to the release, which since they did not say what kind of load, its likely the devs had to go over logs to try and determine how it happens and may not have been able to be replicated in their test environment. Since it has been cleared, clearly it was not happening 100% of the time, which are some of the hardest bugs to root out. the devs where I work see this with our software, and its called "unintended application". It cannot really be "tested" because its not a workflow the devs OR Q&A had thought of or would use. could they have caught it? sure, maybe, the number 0 one, most likely, this one I am not so sure because the test server, no matter how close you make it to live, will never be a live server.

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They PRIDE themselves with their playtest team, to the point they mock the players when content releases overtuned and they release statements like "well our team cleared it" while its pretty obvious their playtest team doesnt actually clear the content, else the buffcap stuff would have been caught.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes. They do. All the time. QA cannot hope to fix every bug and every glitch..ESPECIALLY when we combine that with different native hardware that comes with its own list of quirks and issues. Look at new CPUs and GPUs, new drivers, new cards, interfaces..even motherboard firmware.

You cannot, in QA , anticipate and solve AHEAD OF TIME every single permutation of every possible bug that may occur.

To expect otherwise is utterly ludicrous.



See above.



Proper fixes take time. This is...news? Want them to do it fast and have more problems??

Or take their time and do it right?

Which is it??

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They could avoid these problems by having a Public Test Realm like every other MMO. Boom now you can test live hardware on live servers, latency and all.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I wouldn't say it's necessarily they didn't prioritize it. It's probably more complicated. Something people on the outside may not realize is that the release of bug fixes isn't entirely based on how severe they are. They probably have a couple team members working on some other bugs while other devs puzzle this one out and those were faster to get ready to go than this more complex issue.

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This. The P10 bug had been known about for a little under two weeks, it's easy for them to have R&D'd the solution to it for the hotfix. Comparatively, the Caloric bug has been known about for roughly a week, in which part of the time it was only affecting the most hardcore groups that were even on P12s at all giving a small sample size, on top of the fact certain strategies for Caloric Theory 1 put the fire groups very close together, giving false positives for people that think the fire groups just clipped or something. On top of that, the solution might not be as obvious as the P10 one is (Which to be fair, the P10 one isn't necessarily a solution in itself, it's just disabling the offending actions until a more concrete solution is found). Especially for a bug that's primary factor is that it's contingent on server stress load, coupled with RNG on top of it - not exactly the most easy test conditions for consistency in replication, and also a set of conditions that can quite easily dodge internal QA.

They've already acknowledged it and are working on a solution - complaining won't speed them up, it's just a waste of your energy you can better spend doing something productive in your life.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

They could avoid these problems by having a Public Test Realm like every other MMO. Boom now you can test live hardware on live servers, latency and all.

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With the game having major focus on the story, I don't see them ever doing a public test realm due to data miners. They want to hide the story from us until it actually comes out.
Personally, unless the story gets back up to previous expansion in terms of quality (my opinion) I wouldn't object to public test servers. Specially if they continue to try new content.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's always the same few people doing that honestly, thankfully there's really few of them, I'd say about 10 or less, they will whiteknight and defend the multibillion dollar company at all cost

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Thankfully we have mindless drones to wage war against forum white knights.

With just a few keywords, drones will activate their defenses mechanism to go full on attack.

It’s very user friendly. Context isn’t needed. Has state of the art Identification of Friend or Foe, aka IFF. Anyone not singing the same tune will be automatically labeled and targeted as white knights.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Thankfully we have mindless drones to wage war against forum white knights.

With just a few keywords, drones will activate their defenses mechanism to go full on attack.

It’s very user friendly. Context isn’t needed. Has state of the art Identification of Friend or Foe, aka IFF. Anyone not singing the same tune will be automatically labeled and targeted as white knights.

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bro this is you

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpfyI6OX...png&name=small

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Thankfully we have mindless drones to wage war against forum critics.

With just a few keywords, drones will activate their defenses mechanism to go full on attack.

It’s very user friendly. Context isn’t needed. Has state of the art Identification of Friend or Foe, aka IFF. Anyone not singing the same tune will be automatically labeled and targeted as troll.

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Glad you admit it

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Thankfully we have mindless drones to wage war against anyone disagreeing with toxic positivity

With just a few keywords, drones will activate their defenses mechanism to go full on attack.

It’s very user friendly. Context isn’t needed. Has state of the art Identification of Friend or Foe, aka IFF. Anyone not singing the same tune will be automatically labeled and targeted as someone that should just quit the game because they dont support the dev team's laziness

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I'm happy you finally own up to it, I am very proud of you, hopefully others own up to it next.

You copied me! #original-character-plz-dont-steal

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Originally Posted by Mosha

Whoever it is, that's not the point. All they need to do is sit down with Yoshida and whoever else beforehand and run through the slides and make note of Yoshida's comments. Im sure the English Localization team can run the demos of the EXs and Savages and make their own jokes/interact with chat.

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You do know that's what the community teams do during their own streams, right? Go over recent things while also cracking jokes and running Exes and what have you with the players. The translators aren't going to have jokes with the chat during an LLP. Also I wouldn't even want to considering some of the crap both twitch and YouTube chat spew. They would need to do all of this the day before as again live translation isn't as easy as you want to think it is. And they don't have a script they follow, just an outline.