I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

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Originally Posted by DatGuyChucky

Even if their logs are worse were they the person that claimed to be good at all roles with logs to back it up? Wait no that's you; I wonder how hard it is to not make false claims that take 20 seconds to disprove? Talk shit get hit

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I wasn't disproven though, try again

Why are logs even a factor in this conversation? Savage/ultimate shouldn't even be a consideration since healers would experience the most boredom in casual content where they can't even use their entire kit. This shouldn't be a conversation that's being gatekept behind clearing endgame content, it affects every healer at every skill level, many new healers are already saying that they're bored, many veterans are quitting the role entirely because everyone tells them to just play DPS, who is this design benefiting exactly?

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Why are logs even a factor in this conversation? Savage/ultimate shouldn't even be a consideration since healers would experience the most boredom in casual content where they can't even use their entire kit. This shouldn't be a conversation that's being gatekept behind clearing endgame content, it affects every healer at every skill level, many new healers are already saying that they're bored, many veterans are quitting the role entirely because everyone tells them to just play DPS, who is this design benefiting exactly?

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It absolutely is, as only high end content matters when discussing things like balance. Casual content by its very definition will never be healing intensive, it literally can't be

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Casual content by its very definition will never be healing intensive, it literally can't be

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Which once again raises the questions, considering the majority of the game is casual content (and also the majority of high end faces the same problem), Why design healers in a way that do not work there? How a role that does not work well in the majority of the game can be defined as something else but an absolute mess?

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Which once again raises the questions, considering the majority of the game is casual content (and also the majority of high end faces the same problem), Why design healers in a way that do not work there? How a role that does not work well in the majority of the game can be defined as something else but an absolute mess?

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It does work well though. Healers have more tools than necessary in rollface content, more than tanks and DPS. What is the dev team supposed to do, have oGCD tools restricted to high end content? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

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Originally Posted by FireMage

It does work well though. Healers have more tools than necessary in rollface content, more than tanks and DPS.

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Precisely part of the problem is that we have far more tools than necessary, because them being so abundant compared to what the content needs translates into the majority of the kit simply not being used/needed and the gameplay devolving into 1 button mashing (not even dots now) because there is nothing to tackle the healing downtime effectively, this is something that neither dps nor tanks face as the majority of their kits are used in every piece of content

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What is the dev team supposed to do, have oGCD tools restricted to high end content? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

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Or... how about hearing what healers have been asking for for over 3 years now and give us back dps tools? How about instead trying to do the impossible task of removing the healing downtime, we simply embrace it and make it engaging so it can work as a reward for players that use effectively their tools?

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Or... how about hearing what healers have been asking for for over 3 years now and give us back dps tools? How about instead trying to do the impossible task of removing the healing downtime, we simply embrace it and make it engaging so it can work as a reward for players that use effectively their tools?

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My prior posts have gone into this. Gee it's like I covered all the bases already or something

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Originally Posted by FireMage

My prior posts have gone into this. Gee it's like I covered all the bases already or something

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Hmm No? You didn't raise any single valid argument aside personal opinion, calling logs and saying other ideas like merging buttons that could be merged hot garbage without any explanation why. You haven't argumented any of your personal opinions either so I would say its far from covered

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Hmm No? You didn't raise any single valid argument aside personal opinion, calling logs and saying other ideas like merging buttons that could be merged hot garbage without any explanation why. You haven't argumented any of your personal opinions either so I would say its far from covered

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I didn't state any opinions. Try again

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Originally Posted by FireMage

I didn't state any opinions. Try again

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It's sad that years later people think that healer DPS was more complex than now, instead of what it actually was: clunky

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Personal Opinion, clunky is something purely subjective, for you it may be for me it wasnt

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Aside from base single target and AOE GCD heals being traited up, that suggestion was hot garbage

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then there's no real complexity in DPSing (because acting like SCH in SB was good design is beyond stupid)

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Personal Opinion, in fact Sch back in SB had quite a decent skill gap due to how its tools worked and interacted with its weaving and the only real truth would be that it was more deep than now due to how it had basically more tools

Honestly if you're gonna act self righteous as if only you had the truth, dismiss everyone else without arguments and basically taint any valid discussion I would say twitter is the place to go