Mods and cheat engine

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

What is the difference though between cactbot and some one calling out mechanics over discord which is another thing console players do not have access to.

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Hey now. I'm a console player and I use discords :O Tho yes I know what you actually mean. I'm just providing a joke. Don't mind me.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

@ OP

I agree, cheats and mods should not be allowed in this game, I know they can replace entire bodies with NSFW models, to say the least.

How does it affect me?. They can make my characters naked, and every other character at that; They can attach excessively large dongs to female characters and even though I wouldn't see it inside my game I know other players using such mods will be seeing what they shouldn't.

Besides that, allowing mods in this game might give the developers an excuse to "not upgrade the graphics", since others are doing half-as*ed jobs with their custom models.

Finally, on the business side, by allowing mods SE is letting players use paid optional items like Korean outfits without buying them, they just swap files and done.

I will welcome anything SE can do to avoid mods and cheating.

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With all that you still never said how it actually affects you, given you will never be aware in that moment if someone is seeing you differently or not. Other players see things they shouldnt? Well if they explicitly install a mod to see something they SHOULD see it rofl, you just don't agree with them doing it.

Yoshi P addressed the possibility of graphics updates before, go look it up.
The mogstation is in no danger of missing huge sales due to a mod. Every PC player I know buys from their shop, even the ones who run mods rofl.

As ever just a bunch of busy bodies minding people doing some perfectly innocent things (ledge sitting or custom poses)
You don't get to control what people do on their PC. If someone wants to turn your character into a lalafell or futa they can and SE has already said not too, not to spread such images and that they will NOT introduce invasive software for anti cheat. Mods are a huge part of big gaming communities. SE takes the stance to protect themselves and leave the community to it's own devices, unless a swathe of lala nsfw goes around and gets media attn I don't see it changing.

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Originally Posted by Apeachs

It's not harassing other players. Please read the Rules & Policies as a reminder.

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You are deliberately harassing other players by DMing them like that. You can easily be reported and banned if you continued to do so after being asked to stop.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Except it doesn't and I don't know where this idea that Cactbot does that came from.

It flashes up a bit of text like a WoW raid caller and doesn't literally go "YOU MUST MOVE TO THIS SPOT, YOU MUST MOVE TO THAT SPOT" it simply flashes the text up of what you would read anyway on boss cast bars or icon debuffs. It doesn't tell you anything else and some mechanics it tells you nothing at all.

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Except it does? For a current example, in P3S it calls out spread or stack before the animation plays. It calls out shiva before the animation plays. I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. What aren’t people understanding about this plug-in reading hidden triggers that allows it to give call outs before the visual triggers play? Why are people denying this, when it is 100% true?

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Say you've never seen Cactbot in use without saying it.

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Are you serious? What he said is exactly true. Why are you denying that? What do you gain? I’m so confused why people are flat out denying that Cactbot calls out mechanics by reading hidden triggers that are unable to be read by a human mid-fight, which allows it to call out mechanics before the visual indicators even play. It’s literally cheating. Why do you deny this? Is it because you depend on it to perform? Why do you deny it?

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Except it doesn't and I don't know where this idea that Cactbot does that came from.

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Well, if you mean "that" to be "Cactbot can read mechanics before a raid-caller can", that's absolutely true, since it's reading the network traffic. Now, like... 90% of the time, the mechanic information isn't sent to the client until just before the mechanic itself happens, so presumably while Cactbot might be half a second faster than a human raid-caller, it's not going to be massively/game-breakingly so.

But there are mechanics that have long animations where it isn't clear which animation it's playing until fairly far into the animation; in those cases, Cactbot can absolutely call way faster than a human raid-caller. An example is P3N; I'm given to understand that the server has said "this will be in" or "this will be out" when the bird sort of starts to gather itself up to begin the lengthy Experimental Fireplume castbar. So if I were to be raid-calling a normal raid for whatever reason, I'd probably say "okay, be halfway out..." as a warning as the cast started, and then wait to see see which fireball appeared and go "Okay, go OUT!" or "Get into the middle!" once it did. Whereas Cactbot could say "Get out, big AoE soon" as soon as the cast-bar started, and give maybe a... what, 2-3 second lead in that specific case? Since the animation and cast is a long one.

But on the other hand, as I mentioned in my earlier post, from what I've seen of people blindly following Cactbot—and been told by said people—there are mechanics that Cactbot cannot call in advance... or even cannot call well at all compared to a human raid-caller.

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Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77

Are you serious? What he said is exactly true. Why are you denying that? What do you gain? I’m so confused why people are flat out denying that Cactbot calls out mechanics by reading hidden triggers that are unable to be read by a human mid-fight, which allows it to call out mechanics before the visual indicators even play. It’s literally cheating. Why do you deny this? Is it because you depend on it to perform? Why do you deny it?

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Mate if it was injecting into network code, there would be a noticeable lag

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Originally Posted by Rankina

You are deliberately harassing other players by DMing them like that. You can easily be reported and banned if you continued to do so after being asked to stop.

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It's not harassing to ask players to stop doing something illegal.

Please read the Rules & Policies as a reminder.

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2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Say you've never seen Cactbot in use without saying it.

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I've literally read through Cactbots public sourcecode and basically all of its documentation. I also dabbled in manually writing triggers for similar plugins like trigonometry way back in the day when I was newer to the game.

You just don't like the idea that it's cheating because acceptance of that fact would probably devalue your own accomplishments.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard on patch days.

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You know it is normal to fail mechs you see for the first time on patch day? I don't ever use cactbot, yet I still need some time for a mech to click for me and may "sandbag extremely hard" when I need more time to understand what just happened. Hell, even not on patch day and with guides released we still can go "why did I die" in savage ver just because sometimes game itself can blurp and one shot fully mitigated tank because of server lag.

So cactbot isn't at fault that people fail content they see for the first time lmao