It's time to kill the argument that DPS abilities keep healers from healing.

If you just remove glare it fixes the problem entirely.
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All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time. There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing. Only in XIV do people complain "dps dps I want to dps" as a healer. As you all say not every role has to be the same, dps and tanks are already told to press buttons 100% of the time and optimize their damage, so why can't healers have less stressful gameplay to satisfy players who would rather not have to optimize every second of the fight to press one more glare?

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Originally Posted by lisaa

If you just remove glare it fixes the problem entirely.
https://files.catbox.moe/2y6qeu.jpeg

All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time. There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing. Only in XIV do people complain "dps dps I want to dps" as a healer. As you all say not every role has to be the same, dps and tanks are already told to press buttons 100% of the time and optimize their damage, so why can't healers have less stressful gameplay to satisfy players who would rather not have to optimize every second of the fight to press one more glare?

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It's time to either do nothing or do the beez knees for 60% of the fight lol.

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Originally Posted by lisaa

If you just remove glare it fixes the problem entirely.
https://files.catbox.moe/2y6qeu.jpeg

All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time. There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing. Only in XIV do people complain "dps dps I want to dps" as a healer. As you all say not every role has to be the same, dps and tanks are already told to press buttons 100% of the time and optimize their damage, so why can't healers have less stressful gameplay to satisfy players who would rather not have to optimize every second of the fight to press one more glare?

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Remove glare and do what, meanwhile?

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Originally Posted by lisaa

If you just remove glare it fixes the problem entirely.
https://files.catbox.moe/2y6qeu.jpeg

All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time. There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing. Only in XIV do people complain "dps dps I want to dps" as a healer. As you all say not every role has to be the same, dps and tanks are already told to press buttons 100% of the time and optimize their damage, so why can't healers have less stressful gameplay to satisfy players who would rather not have to optimize every second of the fight to press one more glare?

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A...Are you seriously proposing that in order to fix healer's gameplay we should just not play the game the majority of the time?

This is hilarious 10/10 trolling

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Originally Posted by lisaa

If you just remove glare it fixes the problem entirely.

All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time. There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing. Only in XIV do people complain "dps dps I want to dps" as a healer. As you all say not every role has to be the same, dps and tanks are already told to press buttons 100% of the time and optimize their damage, so why can't healers have less stressful gameplay to satisfy players who would rather not have to optimize every second of the fight to press one more glare?

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At least you are honest here about wanting to be lazy and lax: I respect you for that. Not all people want that from their gameplay though, hence why all those suggestions and discussions in this subforum.

Let's hope you can get 3-7 other players who are willing to carry your slack, then. I personally, won't tolerate that. But you do you. Experience told me that only silent ostracization awaits those who insist on being this lazy, unless you are solely playing with group of friends; which I'd highly salute them for being a saint.

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Originally Posted by lisaa

All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time.

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and why shouldn't they? every member in a party should contribute to its success. doing nothing for extended periods of time is not only boring but detrimental to the team

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Originally Posted by lisaa

dps and tanks are already told to press buttons 100% of the time and optimize their damage

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Are they though? a tank can do "just fine" holding aggro using their ranged attack a few times every minute and afking the rest of the time. Dps in normal content do "just fine" doing freestyle rotations and having terrible gcd uptime.

jobs are only asked to optimize their damage in content where there are dps checks. and if any party member is expected to contribute damage, healers are too. especially when a good healer can do more damage than a tank.

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Originally Posted by lisaa

There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing.

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and this is ffxiv, where healers do damage

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Agreed. it's amazing how many would-be healers just want more dps. Shows how little they know about actual healing.

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We don't want more total DPS; we want more variety to the current amounts of DPS.

But by all means, go ahead and simply accuse many people who have gotten all their healing jobs to level 80 and played them for lengthy amounts of time that they're not really healers at all and apparently know less about healing than you; it's incredibly rude and dismissive, and it doesn't help that some of your posts in this thread have included blatant strawman arguments, but if convincing yourself of that mentally helps you justify the total ignorance of their data and experiences, then more power to you.

Looking at your character on the official Final Fantasy XIV character search, by the way, it looks like two of the three healer jobs you haven't even touched once, only White Mage. And yet you're also telling level 80 Scholars and Astrologians that they're "would-be healers" despite you never even unlocking either job?

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Originally Posted by lisaa

If you just remove glare it fixes the problem entirely.

All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time. There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing. Only in XIV do people complain "dps dps I want to dps" as a healer.

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I mean, if you want to be bad at the game, that's on you but don't expect other people to tolerate it.

The baseline of competency in this game is doing something productive every single GCD.

If that entails healing, so be it, if it doesn't the other option the developers have given us is damage spells.

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Originally Posted by lisaa

If you just remove glare it fixes the problem entirely.

All this problem are just from the assumption that healers have to be pressing something 100% of the time. There are plenty of games where supports don't have to deal any damage and just have downtime between healing.

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Games like?

MMOs with enforced downtime that spring to mind all had reasons for said downtime.

Everquest? It was an MP thing primarily. Sure, in isolation, all the gear in the world only got you FT15 back when I played and if you were a Druid or Cleric, you were sitting for inordinate amounts of time. Shaman were the solution to this and could turn cannibalize their HP for MP, then regenerate efficiently with Torpor and Regen. In raid situations, Clarity and modrods combined with a healer for the healers were also used to significantly reduce or even eliminate downtime for healers. Bonus fun fact, sitting and meditating in Everquest was a huge agro gain and at lower levels you even had to have your spell book open filling the entire screen making you totally blind.

WoW? Again, mostly MP and it was greatly reduced here. MP regeneration ramped up rapidly the longer you meditated for and if you could get yourself out of combat, it only took 3 or 4 ticks to get a huge chunk of MP back in PvP. Often enough to swing the tide of a team fight.

FFXI? MP, Enmity and Accuracy were all significant roadblocks for healers to contribute any sort of DPS at the end game. As a bard main here, even though I could land a good number of my songs, I still had to be super careful with enmity as well. With a blink tank and a quick hitting mob I'd routinely end up overtaking the tanks in agro and either end up having to kite or just sucking it up and taking the death to clear my enmity.

Meanwhile in FFXIV land:

MP really hasn't been an issue since 4.0
Enmity most certainly hasn't been an issue since 5.0 and was only problematic in very specific fights with tanks generally wanting to avoid using stance as much as possible.
Accuracy hasn't been an issue since 4.0

Removing glare doesn't solve the problem at all. It just murders it and stuffs it under the stairs in the hope that no one notices. That's not a very sound way to solve issues and it still doesn't solve the fact that we just aren't casting enough healing abilities relative to how many GCDs we have to play with.

The better solution IMHO is to head back towards healing being primarily GCD based and make bosses actually hit like a truck again. Let them auto attack whilst casting too. Go right back to early coil T1, those snakes could murder a tank in the time it took to wind up a Cure 2 cast and the sustained damage was just far too high for a SCH to maintain the tank with Fairy/Lustrate alone. Remember Clownkefka doing the whole intermission jig for the first time, and them promptly curb stomping the tank whilst you took a sip of coffee thinking nothing was coming? This is what healing should be about. Not standing there scratching my rear for no good reason other than little Timmy's Netflix.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And DPS who refused to use the single button that would negate 90% of emnity in general. Diversion. A single button and so many players were too lazy to press it.

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It's this precise mentality in some DPS that made Virus getting dumped on them as well so painful =/

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

We don't want more total DPS; we want more variety to the current amounts of DPS.

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Because having the exact same dps options from lvl 4 to lvl 80 sucks.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Enmity most certainly hasn't been an issue since 5.0 and was only problematic in very specific fights with tanks generally wanting to avoid using stance as much as possible.

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And DPS who refused to use the single button that would negate 90% of emnity in general. Diversion. A single button and so many players were too lazy to press it.

Or Ninja Shadewalker / Smokescreen in raid content.