DPS why don't you know your rotations?

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Well I'm glad SB made BLM rotation actually manageable. I can't speak for other classes but if they had similarly stupid rotations or worse, I wouldn't expect people to be able to execute their rotations perfectly in the heat of combat either. This game has simply ridiculous skill bloat and rotations get kind of dumb for some classes.

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HW BLM wasn't that bad on paper, it wasn't so much a rotation as keeping Enochian up once you activated it, that was easier said than done if you had to move but it was still an easy concept.

I think pre HW DRG had it pretty bad, that rotation had zero room for error iirc.

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Originally Posted by Rasylia

"Oh look, i have these Skills..."
"Hm, they might work good this way..."
"Okay, i do it this way!"
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"Guides? No thanks, i stick to the way i think it works best. I am not a hardcore player."

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That's how I play.... I don't need someone else to tell me how I should be playing a game. It's like reading walkthroughs to finish an RPG..... why?

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

That's how I play.... I don't need someone else to tell me how I should be playing a game. It's like reading walkthroughs to finish an RPG..... why?

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When you are not able to find a way to perform well your own, the its time to read a "how to". Its the same as solving computer issuses. When you don't find the solution you own, you ask someone or google for it.

If you would play a single player game, it would be completely your choice to be good or not. Just don't cry if you will not finish the game or parts of it.

In a multiplayer game you have some respnsibility. Thats the point you seem not to understand: you are not playing alone. If you are not able to understand what's the point of being part of a group, please stop playing multiplayer games.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

If you would play a single player game, it would be completely your choice to be good or not. Just don't cry if you will not finish the game or parts of it.

In a multiploayer game you have some respnsibility. Thats the point you seem not to understand: you are not playing alone.

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To be fair, in both cases, it's rarely so strict that you can't complete anything without optimal play. In single player (at least my experience through Final Fantasy), you're nearly encouraged to try new styles and play around with your kit.

You don't have quite that level of niche applications here, but still, there's not a whole lot of anything that requires perfection, and the stuff that does, probably less applicable to the audience of the thread, considering players that aren't engaged in perfecting their rotation probably aren't intent on competing in Savage or whatever anyway.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

there's not a whole lot of anything that requires perfection.

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Nobody is talking about "perfection".

When we talk about players, that do perform far beolow 50% of what good players do, for example who does less than 500 dps while this player should be able to do around 3500 to 4000 dps, its something to complain about, when this player is doing content in a group with other players.

Its also in general a point to complain as this is one of the main reasons the content is getting progressively less challanging.

I'm just trying what looks like it might work until the people that are good at math figure out what actually is good.

On a side note, I do NOT like what has happened to DRG so far. It used to flow like butter, now it's clunky and awful. I'm hoping it gets better at level 70

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

When you are not able to find a way to perform well your own, the its time to read a "how to". Its the same as solving computer issuses. When you don't find the solution you own, you ask someone or google for it.

If you would play a single player game, it would be completely your choice to be good or not. Just don't cry if you will not finish the game or parts of it.

In a multiplayer game you have some respnsibility. Thats the point you seem not to understand: you are not playing alone. If you are not able to understand what's the point of being part of a group, please stop playing multiplayer games.

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I don't know... I have no issues doing Ex Primals and general content without watching mechanic videos or rotation guides. Part of the fun is learning the game yourself.

I haven't read the last 13 pages but here are my 2 cents:

Yesterday I ended up with a DRG that didn't even use basic skills and didn't listen to any advise (not a new player). This made a level 50 dungeon a major nightmare for me and my S/O, so we left. When we attempted the roulette again, we ended up with 2 leaf players that were open and receptive to learning and improving. Yes, the level 50 dungeon (Pharos) took a bit longer but we only wiped once on the first boss and we ended without an issue.

It's not about telling players how to play. It's about teaching you how to improve and be a valuable addition to your group. I don't believe anyone that tells me they enjoy being nothing but a burden to a party (unless they are trolling). Why would you want that? I'm sure you will enjoy the game more if you are not a dead weight.

I don't mind people going blind on non-ex content, it's too easy as it is. But the least you can do is get a proper rotation, something you should develop naturally if you bother to read and understand your tool tips. If you come back to the game after a long time, go to potd and run it from level 1 to relearn your class. And please just...read....

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Originally Posted by Moxas

You're delusional if you think playing a DPS is all about Rotations, It's more about using the most priority skills, and they're not always in the same order.

Gonna use Aoelion Edge

Crap, The primal just went invincible for some time.

Shadow Fang just faded from the boss while it was invincible, i need that to buff all my attacks by 10% Do i follow my "rotation" or apply the 10% debuff?

Time to use my level 70 utlimate ability which requires me to stand still for a few seconds

Hmmm... my Ninjatsu is few seconds off CD, if i wait i can reset it by using Ten-Chi-Jin or follow my rotation blindly and waste a free Ninjatsu? wait, i can't use it anyway, THERE'S AOE ON THE GROUND! do i stand still and use it anyway and get hit so i can follow my "rotation"?

And i can keep going on forever, it's different for every single fight.

Unless you mean something else by "rotation" enlighten me.

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Rotation ≠ situational management.
Knowing your rotation but the fight interfering with it and/or making you either cancel it or delay it a bit, is not the same as just chaining wrong abilities. One actual recent example on level 70 content:


Tank sees 2 good aoe dps jobs in the party and grabs 2 pulls together, BLM casts fire 3 (so far so good!), then proceeds to cast thunder, then hardcasts flare with full mp, after transpose, he does single target fire 1 (not even 4). You can imagine how the rest of the dungeon went.

Tried explaining, ignored chat, wat do. Is it worrying that people get to max level content doing this.

People dont see the big picture. Let's compare a9s pre echo ilvl 270, I might be wrong here. The reason I use a9s is because it's litterly a dummy strike fight.
Great DRG about 8.7k to 2.9k without too much pad, the party comp is BRD NIN MCH DRG SCH and WHM. Decent 2.5k to 2.6k. Weak lower than 2.2k You guys see the difference, just being decent is fine enough.- The DPS numbers might be a little bit off since It's been a while I've seen pre echo due to echo been there for nearly half a year and can't be bothered to check the actually good numbers without big amount of padding included. If you go 700 dps lower than great DRG with the same amount of gear, you doing something terrible wrong. If you are between I would say most (99%) players are fine with it, but when you are rock bottom with the same gear you are pretty bad. Most people dont understand the balance between the both.. just claiming it's hardcore.