Studying The Blade- The SAM DPS Guide

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Originally Posted by Nominous

We have Shifu, so I can't see it mattering much.

Also! I'll update the front page soon with the new thread showing stat importance and such. It's basically what we've said, in that you want to prioritize DH. Determination=Skillspeed until you hit about 1700 Crit at which point, Crit is better than both of them. Since we'll have the breakpoint for Crit over Det/SS with this gearset, you'll probably want to focus on just Crit/DH.

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Crit does not overtake Det till somewhere around 2.2k crit levels. SkSp trumps all stats but loses its gains in content that have large amounts of downtime from the boss. DH/Det are the safest you can be at the moment.

For me personally I meld Crit/DHR and Skill Speed. Why SS? it gives more dmg to Higanbana. Plus reduces GCD, that for SS> DET. If we had no DoT then yes Det would be better. Right now I sit @1328 SS. At least 1200 SS i good to have, that's just me though.

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Originally Posted by Adriosh

Crit does not overtake Det till somewhere around 2.2k crit levels. SkSp trumps all stats but loses its gains in content that have large amounts of downtime from the boss. DH/Det are the safest you can be at the moment.

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i was talking to a few people who are Math nerds including myself, and i find this to be True, ATM ONLY classes that Crit is at its highest would be MNK , BRD , DRG, and i believe SCH. Pretty sure it should be DH>Det>Crit>SS or DH>Det>SS>crit

We wont really gain anywhere near 2.2k unless we fully meld Crit. In one case, i made a build and ended up with 1945 DH, 1438 crit, 1133 Det, 880 SS, Im pretty sure there is no Min SS but my Current SS is 1100 ( estimated not on game atm ) and i do perfectly fine with that, so i made another Set that gives me just that. 1945 DH , 1165 crit ,1220 Det, 1066 SS. I mean i havnt really spoken to Other samurais before. This is the first time i even look on Forums for this information, but Thats just what im guessing so far.

2nd part to my comment since it was too long

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Originally Posted by Gallus

20 kenki for 200 potency. 25 kenki for 300 potency. You don't even need to be very good at math :P.

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This just occur to me....wouldnt it be Kaiten + Kasha / Gekko finisher only use 10 kenki (under right position req). Since we know that if we use Shinten, you wont gain anymore kenki. While if you do Kaiten + weaponskill you still gain kenki (5-10 kenki) except for iai.

So it should be 10-15 kenki for 200 pot and 25 kenki for 300 pot? Have anyone tested and see if it actually dps gain?

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Originally Posted by Adriosh

Crit does not overtake Det till somewhere around 2.2k crit levels. SkSp trumps all stats but loses its gains in content that have large amounts of downtime from the boss. DH/Det are the safest you can be at the moment.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tats_compared/

Edit: The claim that Crit would become better than both Det/SS at 1700 was regarding the 'derivative value', which does show crit being higher. However, apparently the meaningful breakpoint where it truly matters is closer to what you said (listed in the thread as 2312 Crit). And DH is king until (listed in thread as) Crit>2811.

So, apologies for any confusions-
DH is the stat you want to stack.
Det is stacked unless you can hit a value of Crit that exceeds 2.2k(2.3k-ish seems to be the absolute number for it to be the god stat for all Jobs)<--- This number I'm sure will become more concrete in the future. If you can stack beyond the above value of Crit, it becomes a more worthwhile stat than Det/SS.

Updates to the front page!

Quick Guide for easier navigation.
Cleaned up certain sections. Better wording, organization, etc etc.
Updated information/wording on the AoE rotation section.
Updated Stat Discussion section with newer/more relevant information.

As an aside- If anyone's interested in posting their findings with specific rotation tuning for specific fights, feel free! As a DRG, I always enjoyed seeing people talk about how they fine-tuned their rotation for burst at specific points of a fight in their thread! Of course, optional, but I thought I'd at least open the discussion to the possibility!

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Originally Posted by soulz

This just occur to me....wouldnt it be Kaiten + Kasha / Gekko finisher only use 10 kenki (under right position req). Since we know that if we use Shinten, you wont gain anymore kenki. While if you do Kaiten + weaponskill you still gain kenki (5-10 kenki) except for iai.

So it should be 10-15 kenki for 200 pot and 25 kenki for 300 pot? Have anyone tested and see if it actually dps gain?

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Aren't both Kaiten and Shinten oGCD? So you could use shinten - > gekko as quickly as Kaiten - > gekko and hence build the same amount of kenki with both.

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Originally Posted by soulz

This just occur to me....wouldnt it be Kaiten + Kasha / Gekko finisher only use 10 kenki (under right position req). Since we know that if we use Shinten, you wont gain anymore kenki. While if you do Kaiten + weaponskill you still gain kenki (5-10 kenki) except for iai.

So it should be 10-15 kenki for 200 pot and 25 kenki for 300 pot? Have anyone tested and see if it actually dps gain?

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Shinten is an OGCD. You'll still gain the same kenki from that gekko/kasha even if you don't use kaiten there.

i made this build http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/11ON3

DH 2050

CRIT 1287

DET 1303

SS 789

i think is pretty balanced, i can change the gloves to remove some crit for SS but idk ¿what do you think? i find with the removal of the acc cap is more harder to balance susb stats on DD