Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

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Originally Posted by Altena

Because they are. Plain and simple.
It's lazy, inefficient, and "average".
Healers have the access and ability to contribute either very little, or a lot.
Choosing not to DPS is choosing to do very little. ie. Lazy

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Sorry calling someone lazy for playing their class EFFICIENTLY is terrible.

You focus on your DPS/Tank and be happy. If you need a healer to push phases you might want to revisit your rotation cause clearly you ain't pulling your weight.

DPSing as a HEALER is OPTIONAL
If you dps as a healer good for you! if you don't it doesn't matter to me cause as long as I'm kept alive I'm happy that you have done your job.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Take a look at the vid someone posted on the healer section.

Xelphatol, expert roulette while we were all in 240 maximum ilvl.

He casted less than 15 spells the whole run. Means doing nothing the rest of the time.

You're lazy, that's all.

If you think a healer have to heal in this game you should try to play the game, its designed around the fact that everyone have to dps.

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Did the party die? NO so what's your problem?

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Originally Posted by Mature

It's a choice. It's optional.

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Why wouldn't you choose to DPS, though? Give me one legitimate reason, and "BECAUSE IT'S OPTIONAL" does not count.

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Originally Posted by Rasylia

Yes, not dps-ing besides healing means you have free time. But if you pass the dungeon / raid without much effort and the job gets done... why continue to harass them? I just don't get it.

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No one here has used harsh words except for, ironically, the so called ""scrubs"". Scrubs are me and my static members, WE are true scrubs x'D
Calling someone lazy isn't harassment, it's a wake up call to the fact they are not contributing to the team.
If you were at your workplace and have to meet a quota, let's say, sign 100 contracts for fluffly plushies deliveries. At the end of the day your boss comes in and says "hey, I need you to stay overtime, won't pay you and you have to sign the 80 contract your coworker didn't fill because he didn't feel like it". It would piss you off most surely. I for one, if I was the slacking coworker would be upset at myself for messing someone else up. Food for thought.
And yeah a healer might only have to contribute 50% or less (it's not 50% in dungeons but anyways, for the sake of argument) than a dps but at least contribute and don't idle the whole dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Mature

DPSing as a HEALER is OPTIONAL

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Using spells as a dps is optionnal 'cause i can smash mobs with my book.
Dps as a tank is optional since i can spam flash to hold aggro.

Having a brain activity on this forum is optionnal too apparently.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Did the party die? NO so what's your problem?

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Sick of carrying lazy people that ain't involving themselves in the duties.
You're here to play with people, start doing something since healing only means you're doing nothing 80% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Game design was intended* to be optional. That doesn't mean it was designed to be optional. Design is a result.[/B]

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But it is. Battles are balanced around healer's not doing dmg. That is the design. It is not only intended, but also executed.
Look how easy a dungeon become the moment a healer do dmg for that the dungeon was not balanced.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Using spells as a dps is optionnal 'cause i can smash mobs with my book.
Dps as a tank is optional since i can spam flash to hold aggro.

Having a brain activity on this forum is optionnal too apparently.

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Doing heal spells as a DPS is optional.
Doing dmg spell/skills as a DPS is required

Doing dmg spells as a healer is optional
Doing healing spell as a healer is required

This is why I play healers in DF... I'm so tired of the "I am only a healer" player.

It baffles me how people react to it. It's not even that hard to do. It kinda shocks me they are calling it "cutting edge" players (As Yoshi-p said), I think it's an overestimation if not exaggeration of its complexity. It's not even maxium efficiency, it's not extremely tiring, it's not your 110%. What's hard about doing a bane on SCH after dots, then heal? Shadowflare works as a form of mitigation because it reduces the monster's speed. An Aero III then some holy spam? Heck, even the stun from it is useful (Disregarding expections (Aka DRK's blood price)) for mitigation. Regens/Shield then some sweet Gravity spam? How is that even hard? Are people seriously thinking that we like healers DPSing 100% of the time?

Yes, mistakes can happen and you can die, the same way you can die as a DPS because you were standing on the bad or a tank with poor CD management.

But my daily dose of realism: Will what Yoshi-p change what people do in-game? Clearly not. Are you possibly going to get kicked by players that want you to DPS but you won't? Most likely! Are you going to get yelled at for not doing it? Yup, that won't change. The GMs won't protect you from this, it still falls into the "Different playstyles" kicking reason, which is not a bannable offense. Yes, I'll personally think they are either bad or lazy.

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Originally Posted by Erys

Calling someone lazy isn't harassment, it's a wake up call to the fact they are not contributing to the team.
If you were at your workplace and have to meet a quota, let's say, sign 100 contracts for fluffly plushies deliveries. At the end of the day your boss comes in and says "hey, I need you to stay overtime, won't pay you and you have to sign the 80 contract your coworker didn't fill because he didn't feel like it". It would piss you off most surely. I for one, if I was the slacking coworker would be upset at myself for messing someone else up. Food for thought.
And yeah a healer might only have to contribute 50% or less (it's not 50% in dungeons but anyways, for the sake of argument) than a dps but at least contribute and don't idle the whole dungeon.

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Except the healer did his job, everyone survived, and you will most likely never see them again. Why is it a problem if the expert roulette didnt finish in 10 Minutes, but in 11?
And please, stop with real life work comparisons. This is a game, meant to provide fun and (in some ways) challenge people. However, if those challenges are easily passed with 2 DPS Classes and a tank (or, in 24p raids, with equivalent more), there is no need for the healers to dps too.
Yes, if they dont want to be bored, or want to be better overall, they should do it! But its not mandatory for anything to succeed, nor should it be mandatory for you to be able to enjoy the game.
If you really need perfect runs, you shouldnt que DF...

I hope the devs reduce all healing by half because otherwise there will still be no need to constantly heal.

It is not mandatory because they don't take into account Healer DPS when designing fights. That said, the amount of DPS from your average DPS class may not be enough to make the designed DPS quota, thus making it necessary for Healer DPS; as for dungeons, they are basically face roll content designed to be neigh impossible to fail.

I am pretty sure all Yoshi P. is saying is that it will always remain POSSIBLE for healers to not DPS provided that ALL other intended upon conditions are in place, like DPS dealing, what was it, like 80-90% of their dummy damage. You can't forget this context. As for more casual content like dungeons, healer DPS isn't mandatory on account of how easy it is. To make Healer DPS mandatory would mean to add in enrages, shorten the time limit, and/or lengthen the content so that it would be impossible to clear without the healer DPS'ing. Aside from obviously making the game likely impossible for their main demographic if they took such a route; doing so will make other strategies, like mass pulls, likely unviable. It's emergent gameplay and should be something that is encouraged.

Healer DPS may not be mandatory and content may not be designed with the intention of healers DPS'ing, but it is definitely being supported and encouraged. They want us to DPS as healers, they just aren't making it mandatory because the game may become too difficult if it was mandatory. They never that healers aren't intended to DPS; if they did then why give Healers DPS skill?

Huge difference between healer DPS not being mandatory and healer DPS not being intended.

On a side note: If I ever see a Healer not DPS'ing, I will immediately begin to mass pull possibly and probably every enemy I can. You want to heal? Well now you get to heal. If you don't like it, your options are:

A) Convince at least one other DPS to kick me and beat me to the vote dismiss option. I won't mind; I have an instant dungeon queue.

B) Get kicked by me for difference in play style. You have Healer Queue anyway so it isn't too bad; not as good as Tank Queue though, but better than DPS queue.

C) Leave and take the leaver penalty. Though no reason to do this considering how fast queue times are for healers and you only need to be 5 minutes into a run to kick; compare this to a 30 minute penalty.