Stop Making Should-Be Achievement Gear.."Optional Gear"

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Honestly, I just feel that FFXIV's cash shop is horribly price gougey for what it's trying to be. I'm not even particularly against cash shops, but I AM against poor deals.

In WildStar, I subscribe to the Signature benefits. But I also earn Omnibits while playing the game that I've used to purchase every single dye, every costume, multiple pets and mounts, all holo-wardrobe/costume slot unlocks, all decor expansion unlocks, and several toys. I spent real money in the cash shop twice, when I felt like I wanted to demonstrate extra financial support for a particular decision Carbine made. And this is a game where I'm not even obligated to pay the subscription if I want to play the game. Oh and did I mention that every purchase is account-wide?

FFXIV's cash shop is just a horrible deal, and that is why I will never, ever spend money in it.

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That's you're right as a consumer. I agree that some things in the shop seem way overpriced to me. But other people with far more disposable income than I probably don't even give it a second thought. And that's ok. Speaking with your wallet by not making purchases of items you feel are bad deals is perfectly fine. But it's worth noting that just because some of the shop items may seem overpriced to some of us, does not mean that there's a problem with the shop selling items. It just means the price points set by the company aren't always going to jive with everyone's level of disposable income.

Yea it sucks when stuff you want is out of reach due to cost, but at the same time, nothing in the shop is vital to have. It very much is OPTIONAL, and as I've said many times in this thread already, those items wouldn't be available to players AT ALL if not for the shop. Some posters have this strange idea that these items would have made their way into the game eventually as some sort of achievement gear, when the reality is that they wouldn't have made it at all.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I wouldn't look to Wildstar as a great example of a success story.

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It's trucking along just fine, thank you. Just because it doesn't have a million subscribers doesn't mean it's a bad game. I also wasn't using it as an example of a "success story" but rather an example of a cash shop that is MUCH more consumer-friendly. When a f2p MMO manages to provide a far better deal than the cash shop in a p2p game, that's a problem.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

It's trucking along just fine, thank you. Just because it doesn't have a million subscribers doesn't mean it's a bad game. I also wasn't using it as an example of a "success story" but rather an example of a cash shop that is MUCH more consumer-friendly. When a f2p MMO manages to provide a far better deal than the cash shop in a p2p game, that's a problem.

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Except a lot of game stuff is locked behind said cash shop, or rather, the sub for the game. I wouldnt call it consumer friendly lol

You can't create or invite people to a guild, warparty, arena team or circle. you only get 3 bazaar slots for buying and selling, the game is basically gimped unless you pay more than even XIV's basic sub. Wildstars free version is almost as restrictive as XIVs free trial, and THAT is ridiculous, since its a F2P game :P.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You can't create or invite people to a guild, warparty, arena team or circle. you only get 3 bazaar slots for buying and selling, the game is basically gimped unless you pay more than even XIV's basic sub. Wildstars free version is almost as restrictive as XIVs free trial, and THAT is ridiculous, since its a F2P game :P.

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If you spend some plat on a CREDD, you unlock all of those things. Or if you bought the game. Even if you don't want to spend the time to earn the plat, you only need to spend $15 once to unlock those. You do NOT need to be subbed to the game. Those restrictions are there for a reason (combat gold sellers) and are perfectly reasonable, especially when they don't actually require you to invest any money in the game at all.

You guys have to realize that you pay your damn sub for only one thing and thats the access to the final fantasy servers to play the character that you created. Every few weeks comes a thread where someone demands that everything has to be free in a game just because he/she pays a sub. There is such a low amount of stuff logged behind the cash shop in this game that this complains are just ridiculous.

Naunet most f2p games have content locked behind hidden monthly fees aka premium or offer certain content only in the shop.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

If you spend some plat on a CREDD, you unlock all of those things. Or if you bought the game. Even if you don't want to spend the time to earn the plat, you only need to spend $15 once to unlock those. You do NOT need to be subbed to the game. Those restrictions are there for a reason (combat gold sellers) and are perfectly reasonable, especially when they don't actually require you to invest any money in the game at all.

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Maybe we are looking at 2 different things, because I pulled that info right off of their website.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Maybe we are looking at 2 different things, because I pulled that info right off of their website.

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And I play the game. You didn't look at the Cosmic Reward point system.

Since you probably don't realize it, Omnibits are a currency earned on a pretty frequent basis whenever you do anything that yields XP (xp is also awarded at level cap). They accrue at a pretty good pace, and after a week of doing content in my normal playtime I have more than enough to buy a couple dyes or a costume or whatever. A couple weeks, and I have enough to buy an account-wide mount if I want.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

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I really don't think you should be comparing Wildstar to FFXIV here. FFXIV has proven itself to be much more successful. Why would you want a successful MMO to emulate a comparatively unsuccessful one?


http://steamcharts.com/app/39210

http://steamcharts.com/app/376570#1y

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

I really don't think you should be comparing Wildstar to FFXIV here. FFXIV has proven itself to be much more successful. Why would you want a successful MMO to emulate a comparatively unsuccessful one?

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I actually really like Wildstar's f2p model and wish more f2p games would emulate it. Guild Wars 2 is another one that I think is pretty decent.

That said, the only other game I've played that does quarterly content updates is WoW, and go figure, it also follows the sub+optional microtransaction store model. I DO think there's correlation between this particular model and frequent content updates, yeah, no matter how much everyone wants to cry about "our sub money being used to fund KH3".

Someone actually used the terms Wildstar and value in the same sentence, lol

A dollar can probably buy you a whole lot of dog turds, doesn't mean the guy with turd-filled pockets is a smart consumer.