Isn't it a bit disheartening whats on the Horizon to all Hw content?

It's just how the game is really. A1s isn't in unsync, except people are already facerolling it in a couple minutes, doesn't really seem that different from unsync. You would have to remove echo to get it closer to the pristine "when it was current" difficulty and min ilvl sync everything which I don't see them doing since their motto is "Once the content is irrelevant it becomes casual content", same reason echo exists.

It does feel cheap to go back after clearing it the hard way and skipping 95% of the mechanics but what can you do.

It would have to have some insane rewards for people to bother doing it synced. I guess maybe for old EX they could boost the nightmare drop rate since it is still garbage.

I find it funny how everyone clearly has ignored the fact that I mention a feature like this for new people everyone is just looking at it from their own view point. Being in the novice net work I see over 200 new players signed on at any given time sometimes almost max number which is 400 , I also have said several times that nobody is saying get rid of unsync content. What I have pointed out is that if you cant clear the content at least once then you dont deserve a mount from that content, most of us are adults and we know in life you dont get a trophy for participation.

If you cant do content sync one time you just simply do not deserve the best reward that content has to offer I dont see how anyone can argue against this. The chances of me getting a sync titan extreme clear out of all the arr primals is very slim, I passed on it in my unsync runs with free company because I did not deserve this item, and I know that nobody runs him sync so I will probably never get the horse from having all the arr horses, and thats ok with me more people should have this mindset. Just because something is in the game doesnt mean that you are entitled to it. And you guys all run old content probably every time you log in , via roulette what you are really sayin is I dont have time to be in an instance with someone tryin to learn a fight like I did I dont have time for that. Well I hope if you go to any other game that vet players look at you the same way, and dont care about helping you get familiar with the game your tryin to play because thats what your doing with this one.

I just know Ill have a great laugh when new players come in and their very first primal experience is an extreme storm blood primal this will be the first taste of skipping two expansions of good content and having no learning curve where you will truely see how unsync only has ruined the quality of players becoming skilled players. If you think its bad now just wait until then are watch SE instead of making content harder they start making it easier to accommodate their new player base people that have been forced to skip 75 percent of their game because their players are so anti old content even when they run old content everyday.

And the funny thing about it is people act like people dont die in dungeons its a whole entire thread thats probably the longest thread on the forums, so I honestly do not understand what the difference is in wiping in a dungeon more than once and an extreme primal. I just think that people will seriously reap what they sow and they are going to create an environment of really low skilled players if they have never played an mmo before like someone pointed out, nobody would force you to do anything I just simply asked for another roulette to keep old content at least somewhat valid for others that start after everyone else has.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Its not that simple. Its not that one is more popular, its that they are exactly the same except one is much easier. You get the same completion, same rewards, and same progression, there is no competition. In order to be competitive there needs to be appropriate incentive to stick to the harder version, then people will actually have a choice when they play content, depending on their intentions. Do we farm the harder version and get better rewards? or just clear unsynced? (or as a compromise, have it so that in order to get mounts/minions/crafting items/orchestrion rolls etc. in unsynced, you must have cleared the content synced - just a spitball idea)

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1) what competition? competition between players? how are they competing in PVE other than RNG rolls? competition between doing it harder vs doing it easier? why would that ever be a competition? What purpose does that serve?

2) it is that simple, but the people that want the old content to stay hard don't like that there's an easy way to do it, so they're trying to impose what they want on everyone else. I want to do it easier cause I want to do it easier. You don't like that, so you trying to make a way for me to do it harder to get the things that I want.

I'm trying to get people on both sides to agree to disagree, but you want me to do it the way you want me to. That's really what's going on here.

If people want to do it easier, let them do it easier. You can still do it harder if you want to.

Like you said, they are exactly the same thing. It's all about player choice at that point. Stop trying to impose your likes on other people. We don't want it.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

1) what competition? competition between players? how are they competing in PVE other than RNG rolls? competition between doing it harder vs doing it easier? why would that ever be a competition? What purpose does that serve?

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I dont really think hes tryin to impose anything, and being as you have cleared Im guessing most of this stuff sync then its nothing wrong with you farming stuff unsync its alot easier. But for those who havent like seeing people I know that didnt even do a single arr clear sync with a mount is just not right. You dont deserve that mount get off of it, and SE shouldn't allow this they gate everyyy thing else but they let people who cant even get a sync clear get rewards. There needs to be a line somewhere, like I said just because its in the game doesnt mean your entitled to it.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

It would have to have some insane rewards for people to bother doing it synced. I guess maybe for old EX they could boost the nightmare drop rate since it is still garbage.

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I believe doing content with the box for "minimum i level" checked will cause the drop rates to go way up. There are reddit threads of people getting 4+ orchestrion rolls dropping at once after a fight. I don't know if it applies to pony drops though.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Who's actually complaining about unsync though? I mean logically speaking. What right do they have to dictate how the devs introduced something and how people might want to use it as intended?

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Several people in this topic are complaining about it.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

It's unfortunate that you actually point out one part of what I was implying, actually stating a part of what I wanted you get to out of my quote, but you then completely omit it as though it has nothing to do with "unsync". You literally stated earlier that there is no fun to be had with unsync. I pointed out there is. You dismiss it as though it has nothing to do with the function. Really picking and choosing facts, aren't you?

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Hold on a moment, you and I would both agree, would we not, that anything said about something as subjective as 'fun' is nothing more than an opinion, not a fact. I said there is no fun to be had with unsync'd and was talking with reference to new players learning content. That was clear in my post I think. If not, then take it from me that is what I was talking about. I more than accepted the idea that - for instance - a player might run a dungeon unsync'd to solo it as a challenge - for fun. I know, because I have done that myself, and it was fun.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

You're right about the zerg rush not being the intended method in Hunts, but that was our standard norm. That was the expectation when doing them.

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Sorry, no, I'm not going down that path, that's the same kind of discussion as the whole "early pull" BS festival. The intended way to run the content is by definition the normal way of running it within the context of the game. The fact that a large portion of the community decided to steamroll the content in a zerg rush doesn't alter that. That kind of logic is the kind of logic that allows people to mod save files in other games because everyone else is doing it, it's the community norm.... poor logic IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

I pointed that out to show that when you take out the overpowering element, you come to terms with what was intended. The underlying implication though was that we see that EVERYWHERE. If you do your daily dungeons, you're likely overpowered or your group is. Even if you use the sync function we have, you're still overpowered. How do you know a new player wouldn't be able to get satisfaction out of challenging themselves with unsync? If a player is willing to take a challenge on, such as syncing with a group to experience content, chances are they'll also look to do the same in solo or low-man groups doing the same. The players looking for a challenge, and taking the initiative to do it, are the ones I applaud on the matter. They're quite rare though.

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I think - and this is an opinion - that no player should be able to run anything unsync'd unless they have already completed the dungeon/trial sync'd once. Yes, I am fully aware that this means that veteran players will need to help, but that's what mentor and Duty roulette is for isn't it? I think there are more players than you might think, willing to spend time helping others in this manner. By ensuring that players run each piece of content in the game at least once while level/ilevel sync'd, you ensure that everyone goes through the learning process for content at least once. I don't care if people want to farm content into oblivion and burn out in the process afterwards by doing unsync'd runs. That's their decision, more power too them.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

If what you're arguing for is to remove the notion of being stronger than the content, then why have gear to begin with? Why is it so important to stop people from overpowering OLD CONTENT?

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Far from it. I was arguing that with so much content becoming irrelevant so quickly, gear progression is almost pointless in itself, except from the practical business of being strong enough for the recent content. But within 6-9 months that gear and the content that needed it will be overgeared and lose relevance rapidly there after. I find that pace to be far too quick. I think that ilvl has risen stupidly fast and that has resulted in too much content (and gear) becoming redundant far, far too quickly. That is actually my main point - other than the desire for people to play the game at least once in the way it is intended, even if they subsequently grind the snot out of it.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

From preventing things that they've done hundreds of times in the past (in the intended way) from being easier to access (no need for full groups)? Why do you feel it's so important to cater to the very VERY small minority of new players that give a damn about that, and are too lazy to form their own group on it, over every single other player in the game? To burden everyone else.

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I believe all the answers to that are in the statements I made earlier in this post.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I find it funny how everyone clearly has ignored the fact that I mention a feature like this for new people everyone is just looking at it from their own view point.

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And as I've pointed out that you've clearly ignored, running old content is not necessary for new people to know how to run new content. There are tons of people clearing the HW content who has never even touched ARR content every day. They are not handicapped because they never ran Titan and Shiva. and its going to be the same thing when stormblood comes out.

The things they need to know to run new content are learned by running that content

I never played anything in the least comparable to ARR EX raids before I stayed playing FFXIV. Did that make it harder for me than for people who played like WoW, 1.0 or FFXI? probably. Did it stop me? of course not. I was able to learn & to adapt, and thousands of other people were just like me.

Yes, it won't be as easy for them as it is for veteran players who have played old content, but the difference in difficulty between old & new players is so insignificant, it would take more energy to focus on whether a new person as cleared ARR content or not than it would to just focus on clearing Stormblood content.

Have more confidence in our community. If new players want to try out the old content in the way it was intended, that option is still there. and if they don't, they shouldn't have to.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I just know Ill have a great laugh when new players come in and their very first primal experience is an extreme storm blood primal this will be the first taste of skipping two expansions of good content and having no learning curve where you will truely see how unsync only has ruined the quality of players becoming skilled players.

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What makes you exactly think that there won't be a learning curve for experienced players as well? Do you expect level 70 to not bring any new abilities into people's rotations? While it is true SE has been reusing mechanics for their extreme primal fights for almost the whole HW series, there's nothing stopping new players trying old primals unsynced or not, you won't be able to ignore Sephirot EX mechanics at level 70, simply because they do so much damage. And SE is already making content laughably easy, falling off in Sophia EX has no meaning at all except instakill, the killwall in Zurvan EX isn't instakill and if you're lucky with server ticks you don't even get damaged by it.

You were a new player once too, what was your first extreme primal experience? Do you think people laughed at you because you didn't have any previous experience? You have to start learning somewhere, and why would you want to force new players to learn hard fights by doing something that they have little to gain from? Instead when they eventually manage to down their first Stormblood extreme primal, they'll be glad they could do it, and possibly get a relevant weapon or accessory on top of it. Having done old extreme primals and raids only gives veteran players the advantage of having knowledge of some mechanics the fights could have.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I dont really think hes tryin to impose anything, and being as you have cleared Im guessing most of this stuff sync then its nothing wrong with you farming stuff unsync its alot easier. But for those who havent like seeing people I know that didnt even do a single arr clear sync with a mount is just not right. You dont deserve that mount get off of it, and SE shouldn't allow this they gate everyyy thing else but they let people who cant even get a sync clear get rewards. There needs to be a line somewhere, like I said just because its in the game doesnt mean your entitled to it.

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This is imposing.

Someone new having an Ifrit mount doesn't affect you personally at all. It doesn't impede on your possession of the mount, or your ability to be able to run the content synced, but you STILL don't like that they have it even though they've never cleared it synced themselves. So now they shouldn't have it. They don't deserve it.
WHO GIVES A CRAP? It's just a mount.

This is literally you imposing your views on other people. They have to play it the want you want them to play in order for them to get what they want.

Its not enough for you that all people have a choice as to how they want to play this old, old content. Nah, they gotta do it the way you want them to.

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Originally Posted by Proxers

You were a new player once too, what was your first extreme primal experience? Do you think people laughed at you because you didn't have any previous experience? You have to start learning somewhere, and why would you want to force new players to learn hard fights by doing something that they have little to gain from? Instead when they eventually manage to down their first Stormblood extreme primal, they'll be glad they could do it, and possibly get a relevant weapon or accessory on top of it. Having done old extreme primals and raids only gives veteran players the advantage of having knowledge of some mechanics the fights could have.

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^^^^

This. All of this.

Exactly. Not having ran old content is not gonna destroy new players. It won't put them at a severe disadvantage. It will still be very possible for them to clear stormblood ex raids without having ran anything old. Its happening now, it won't stop happening later.