Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

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Originally Posted by Kafei

That's... not very magicy friendshippy of you. :\

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There are limits even to friendships.
Not everyone is able to love the... not so bright and not so great.

There's so many issues with low DPS outputting players because:
1) FFXIV draws new MMO players
2) There's no challenging content outside of EX/Savage

And then you have people who try to help players improve by giving them advice and tips and advising them not to do what they're doing...only to get lashed out at by the underperforming player.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

You know what, I'm done. You guys want to twist my words, use dps logs against me and call me a troll, whatever, i'm done, to the people who agreed with me. thank you, we all see those type of people in like the void ark and crystal tower and so on, to the people that kept attacking me or tried to be passive aggressive towards me

I hate all.

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Kinda like that.

I had a SMN who would only apply DoTs if they had aetherflow stacks for Tri-Disaster. Then they would spam ruin 3 till almost out of MP, then spam ruin. Oh, and they would use Deathflare immediately, instead of using ruin 3 while in dreadwyrm trance until it was almost over.

But according to this board, the smn probably wasn't bad.

I don't make it into a big deal..

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

You know what, I'm done. You guys want to twist my words, use dps logs against me and call me a troll, whatever, i'm done, to the people who agreed with me. thank you, we all see those type of people in like the void ark and crystal tower and so on, to the people that kept attacking me or tried to be passive aggressive towards me

I hate all.

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Your issue this entire thread is your outbursts from the desire to defend yourself. It clearly showed you had no desire to actually have an open discussion on the topic that you posted in the discussion forum. You simply wanted to rant and have everyone agree with you.

The way people react to advice in this game it wouldn't surprise me if Yoshi P himself said they were bad and not doing their rotation right that they'd call him a liar and to stfu.

It's got to the stage were I just don't attempt to help people unless they ask for it. I just mention it to friends or whatever, have a laugh about it and continue on the dungeon.

Why bother trying to even help when 99% of the time you're told either:

1) To shut up and worry about yourself ( albeit in more colourful terms than that)
2) It's their subscription and they'll play how they want.
3) You're a liar and that they are clearly good because...(they then list faceroll content they've cleared.)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I had a SMN who would only apply DoTs if they had aetherflow stacks for Tri-Disaster. Then they would spam ruin 3 till almost out of MP, then spam ruin. Oh, and they would use Deathflare immediately, instead of using ruin 3 while in dreadwyrm trance until it was almost over.

But according to this board, the smn probably wasn't bad.

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Stop being hyperbolic and you'll see that people most definitely agree that some people are just bad. Now we can't always tell if they are bad due to sheer laziness, not giving a shit, or truly just don't know better, but we are aware they exist.

The game not telling you how to play your job, or how well you're doing, is a pretty bad excuse for some players... Sure, I can understand not everyone will get maximum DPS because of that, but at least decent DPS shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Like everyone else, I was new to the game once too, and I did pretty bad in the beginning too, but at least I listened to people who tried to help, and by the time I got more serious in the game, I was doing pretty good DPS. It isn't really rocket science.

You can literally just use a couple of skills, and still do more DPS than most people in dungeons... simply by actually using skills.

Also, while FFXIV doesn't teach you very much of how to play your job, why is it so hard for players to just look for a guide? Back when I was new, and I didn't know what rotation I should use, I simply searched for it on internet, and found out... I felt like I was holding other players back, by not knowing how to play correctly. That feeling should occur for all players. If you want to figure it out by yourself, you better be good at it, otherwise just follow the ones that do the math and put time into it.

Maybe some of the cases in dungeons are just players being lazy... but so what? doesn't change the fact that they're doing bad, and while dungeons doesn't require much DPS at all, you should still put a decent amount of effort into it, since you're not alone in there, you have 3 other players there who most likely wants to get through it in a timely fashion.

I like Bacon it gives me +200 vit until I have to BO then I lose it :(.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

You can literally just use a couple of skills, and still do more DPS than most people in dungeons... simply by actually using skills.
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Once had a SMN in my FC who was pulling 500 DPS, so I figured I'd see if I could help them. Before doing that, I tested myself.

I wielded a ilvl 90 book, but kept the rest of my 180 gear on. I then parsed on a dummy with just applying dots. I didn't use Ruin/Fester etc. Between my pet and I, we did 450 DPS. It was at that time I realized I wouldn't be able to help my buddy.