DEV REQUEST: Remove cast bars to MCH & BRD

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

how its possible that we gained 30% dmg and we are still doing the same dps compared to others?

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Simply because if we didn't get the 30% damage boost, we would have even less overall dps than the other jobs. Plus, you're only looking at numbers where it is in favourable conditions (i.e a striking dummy). Straight Shot procs definitely needs to have the animation delay looked into so it can function just like Shot procs, and Warden's Paean probably warrants some slight changes as well. I'm happy with the current Bard though.

I'm just wondering if people are compairing BRD to BLM because now BRD has a (super short) cast time. Out of those people that say BRD is like BLM now because they have this cast time, how many of them have a level 60 BLM and have the rotation down? I play BRD and my roommate mains BLM. We are no were near as restricted on movement as a BLM is. You really can't compair the two. BLM has to worry about two buffs and keeping its rotation perfect or risk loosing Leyline and Enochian. If a BLM moves around to much they risk that they will loose Enochian. If they loose Enochian they loose a huge chunk of damage. BRD has nothing like this. They can move and pick up where they left off. The only timers we have to watch is our DoTs. So some of the BRDs/MCH that are complaining that they are now like BLMs need to level BLM to 60, perfect that rotation and then say how much BRD and MCH are way to much like BLM.

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Originally Posted by mdha02

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Now your mistake was assuming that mobility was the problem that BRDs have :x.

The matter of fact is, they're trying to make us play like BLM without actually being a BLM. BRD abilities were not designed to accommodate cast times, that's why you have procs that straight up do not react for you in time or you start clipping oGCDs because you're doubling up (which is very easy to do, and you s hould be doing, cause otherwise you're risking a reset overlap on bloodletter).

It has nothing to do with difficulty, but that there's no natural flow for BRD, especially when they have made it work just fine on MCH or even BLM (as far as procs are concerned, because you can catch firestarter procs if you were to weave an oGCD right after fire I, but firestarter as of now is less prominent in your rotation because of enochian) and some traits outright not working properly when it should be.

I like the concept of gauss barrel but I hate that it applies to EVERYTHING. MCH feels slow and clunky - not decisive and quick like it really should.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

Simply because if we didn't get the 30% damage boost, we would have even less overall dps than the other jobs.

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of course if WM / GB didnt have 30% dmg boost, healers would outdps bard/mch, and no 1 would use it , but thats not the point.

The point is that brd are the same in dps rankings that 2.0 , but we lost our movility and gained nothing....because SE boosted everyone by 30% coming from 2.0 to 3.0 HOWEVER bards are the only one that payed that cost with WM (casting). (well Blm with ley lines and Nin with positionals )

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

The point is that brd are the same in dps rankings that 2.0 , but we lost our movility and gained nothing because SE boosted everyone by 30% coming from 2.0 to 3.0.

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Why are you using the dps rankings? Those are usually done in favourable conditions. Actual encounters differ from each other; some jobs are better in certain encounters than others. Also, what mobility? You really don't have to move as much as you're suggesting. Plus, it's not like Minuet puts an eternal non-cleansable bind on you.

Square boosted everyone 30% compared to what exactly?

Melee was doing 500 - 600 decent dps at the end of 2.5 on average. At this point we are doing 1300 - 1500 before 3.1. I don't see where this 30% figure is coming from.

And while the skill floor has certainly increased, good players on both machinist and bard that I know have had little issue making comparable dps output with other dps.

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Originally Posted by mdha02

So some of the BRDs/MCH that are complaining that they are now like BLMs need to level BLM to 60, perfect that rotation and then say how much BRD and MCH are way to much like BLM.

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they are exaggerating. my SMN though is MORE mobile than my BRD, both are at 60 and that is not an exaggeration at all.

mobility isn't even the biggest problem as the clunky use of oGCD with cast bars is much worse.

MCH is better with the procs, this system seemed to have been designed for MCHs and then just tacked on to BRDs after.

Anyone think that maybe they removed the mobility of bard because they wanted to remove the mobility and not to make the job interesting?

You have cast bars to get you killed in AOEs. That, specifically, is the exact reason they were implemented; to make your job as hard as everyone else's.