Ninja damage insane over monk

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Originally Posted by Samano

MNK's and NIN's DPS is about even, the only disadvantage MNK has is when there's a period where MNK can't attack and they lose GL stacks. The DPS difference is no more than 10 DPS. And remember, the 500+ DPS NIN dummy damage is with WAR doing slashing debuff the whole time. If MNK gets a DK bitch to go with them, pretty sure the DPS is gonna come out even.

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MNK with DK bitch > NIN with slashing debuff bitch (WAR or NIN).

It won't come out even. NIN will be at the lower ends of 500 while MNK will go the higher end.

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Originally Posted by Samano

MNK's and NIN's DPS is about even, the only disadvantage MNK has is when there's a period where MNK can't attack and they lose GL stacks. The DPS difference is no more than 10 DPS. And remember, the 500+ DPS NIN dummy damage is with WAR doing slashing debuff the whole time. If MNK gets a DK bitch to go with them, pretty sure the DPS is gonna come out even.

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o_O Nin can do 490-500 while applying its own slashing debuff.

Monk can do like 500-520 though applying its own dragon kick.

But this be dummy dps. Monk probably always gonna be stronger in dummy type fights.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

o_O Nin can do 490-500 while applying its own slashing debuff.

Monk can do like 500-520 though applying its own dragon kick.

But this be dummy dps. Monk probably always gonna be stronger in dummy type fights.

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You do know that NIN can reach 520 sustained on a dummy while applying its own slashing debuff?

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

You do know that NIN can reach 520 sustained on a dummy while applying its own slashing debuff?

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Without party + food and pot buffs in only 110 gear/weapon? News to me actually lol. Buuut I only just started messing with skill speed so I don't doubt it. My main point was that Ninja can reach 500 just like monk outside a party on a dummy without having to be babysat by a warrior/other monk. I'm not even sure how much we do while being babysat since I gotta rely on other people to parse.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Without party + food and pot buffs in only 110 gear/weapon? News to me actually lol. Buuut I only just started messing with skill speed so I don't doubt it. My main point was that Ninja can reach 500 just like monk outside a party on a dummy without having to be babysat by a warrior/other monk. I'm not even sure how much we do while being babysat since I gotta rely on other people to parse.

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I think is was with Party buff and Food, but I'm not overly convinced that those contribute to a 30 DPS increase. And looking for 500+ dummy parses by Monks without DK bitches I couldn't find any numbers with solid proof (aka a video showing hoh said numbers came about). The best one I could finde was one in the 490-500 range and that is also with Party buff and Food.

While i would not mind more skill speed at all would it not mean burn up tp faster?
For that reason alone i will go same route as i am doing for Bard, Crit/Det on Novus
When raiton crit it is delicious

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

I think is was with Party buff and Food, but I'm not overly convinced that those contribute to a 30 DPS increase. And looking for 500+ dummy parses by Monks without DK bitches I couldn't find any numbers with solid proof (aka a video showing hoh said numbers came about). The best one I could finde was one in the 490-500 range and that is also with Party buff and Food.

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I wish I could get the parses people have said for my monk to show you but umm as for the ninja.. If it's a video you're talking about it was HA weapon + Party + Food.

Also got the exact speed numbers for 2.00s GCD, 486 no food, 463 using Speed food (Canard,Eft steak,Sauteed Coeurl plz use HQ food for your sanity). I never wanna fiddle with testing speed numbers again ever.

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Originally Posted by dday3six

Part of the issue with Monks and Dragoons I've seen in the open world is they rarely bother to use their stuns to set up positional attacks..

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As a solo monk I literally use the stun a long with other abilities as soon as they're available. When I do stun, I go for positions, but monks do positions in almost every single move so a 4 second stun every 40 seconds isn't gonna help me much.

Personally I enjoy monk solo because I can run around the mob and laugh when I get the position bonus.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

I wish I could get the parses people have said for my monk to show you but umm as for the ninja.. If it's a video you're talking about it was HA weapon + Party + Food.

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The Monk video I was referring to was also with HA weapon, Party and Food. To be honest, I don't think that Monks sustain 500+ DPS with iLvl 110 weapon, you either need HA or Nexus for this (or even higher iLvl weapons as are available now)

What's the point of comparing NIN's DPS to MNK's like people here are trying? If NIN's DPS is slightly behind, even or better means very little, when the real problem is Trick Attack...

NIN having as much DPS as MNK is no problem, cause why can't they have that? If DRG falls behind, then just buff them (which they are doing)... The problem is that Trick Attack gives your party a ton of more DPS than MNK gives you.

I doubt they would buff everyone else to balance it out, but I don't want them to nerf NIN's own DPS... so I would suggest them changing Trick Attack, so that you still get as much DPS from it, but the rest of the group gets less or something. That would pretty easily balance it out, and nobody would be mad about it.