Yoshi-P: Atma drop % = "it's just luck"

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but I have tried this and it's pretty good. Please don't rage if it doesn't work for you, but I am currently 3/4 for 4 hours straight. (missed one cus I was in CT)

This is in Server time
Atma of the MAIDEN - Central Shroud - 1:00
Atma of the SCORPION - Southern Thanalan - 2:00
Atma of the WATER BEARER - Upper La Noscea - 3:00
Atma of the GOAT - East Shroud - 4:00
Atma of the BULL - Eastern Thanalan - 5:00
Atma of the RAM - Middle La Noscea - 6:00
Atma of the TWINS - Western Thanalan - 7:00
Atma of the LION - Outer La Noscea - 8:00
Atma of the FISH - Lower La Noscea - 9:00
Atma of the ARCHER - North Shroud - 10:00
Atma of the SCALES - Central Thanalan - 11:00
Atma of the CRAB - Western La Noscea - 12:00

The argument that angers me the most about Atma is when people say "durrrr they just don't want people to get it overnight," meanwhile there are cases of people completing a set of atma in around ten hours... soooo... logic much?

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Originally Posted by Lucke

I think the problem is the loss of control with the RNG. We LOOOOVE control and RNG takes that away. Think of Soldery tomes, most people don't mind that because we have CONTROL over how much Soldery tomes we get. We can do alotta Brayflox for alotta Soldery, or we can decide to take a break and not do any dungeons. Everytime we do Brayflox we KNOW we will get further to our goal of buying that wicked awesome Daystar robe. We can CONTROL when we get that robe. We can do alot of the Bray, get a bunch of Soldiery, and get the Daystar robe as soon as we can (Soldiery caps and all). Every time we do Bray, we are that much closer to our goal.

We lose that CONTROL when doing ATMA. We have NO CONTROL AT ALL if the thing will drop or not. Tell me, how is it fair that I can walk into a zone, do a FATE just in passing and grab an Atma, while Joe Blow has been in this same zone for 3 days and STILL hasn't gotten his atma after 500 FATEs. That rewards the lucky and punishes the unlucky. We can't control if we're lucky or not.

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^ This. Not only that but there is no way to tell that the system is even working. When the only way of knowing if the drops are functioning properly is "oh look, I got a drop" there is zero transparency for this in a game that is constantly plagued with minor and sometimes major bugs, like any young MMO. We have no way of knowing whether or not something is wrong because it's not like we see the dice roll happen for the RNG, and we don't see any progress for our "work." I'm sorry but after 20 straight dropless hours I expect to know whether or not I can trust that the game isn't bugged...

All of the pro-Atma arguments are ridiculous and are, at best, fueled by sheer addiction. This is another reason I can't believe this crap is even allowed in a game anymore. This is sheer gambling-style "content" with the potential to be extremely addictive. I don't understand how other gambling content, such as the Mog Lottery in XI, was banned in NA while something like the Atma farm, which is nothing more than a slot-machine you're paying for with hours and hours of your life, is considered acceptable.

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Originally Posted by baopee

just started farming the Atmass lst night, so far 3 hours for 3 Atmas. Fish, crab, and scale

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Originally Posted by Rubieus

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but I have tried this and it's pretty good. Please don't rage if it doesn't work for you, but I am currently 3/4 for 4 hours straight. (missed one cus I was in CT)

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Yes, I thought this worked as well and I even managed to get 6 drops in ~4hrs..... now I'm on a 25-30 hour dry spell without any drops. Everyone in my FC has tried this to no real noticeable improvement. My gf tested this using server, local, and JST and it still took her 84-112 hours to get all 12. Most everyone in my FC took around that time with several having a much MUCH more painful experience.

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Originally Posted by Rubieus

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Sorry, but this was a theory posted awhile ago and was debunked. The OP is referring to a direct quote from the Producer which stated that there is no pattern or anything to it, it is simply luck.

It took me 98 hours to complete the atma portion of the quest. The books are a walk in the park compared to that hell of atma farming. Never again. Ever.

so I had 10 atma. logged on the next day tele to the wrong area did a fate and got the some one I already had. did fates allday got nothing. logged back on the next day tele to the right areas this time and got both on first try

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Originally Posted by Dayala

It took me 98 hours to complete the atma portion of the quest. The books are a walk in the park compared to that hell of atma farming. Never again. Ever.

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I actually like books. I think it's a sound concept with very clear progress and you're incentivized to do content that can actually be fun. They should have made it just the books, even if they were a little longer. The Atma farm should have never existed or, at the very least, it should have been a one time deal for all of your jobs or it should be a 100% drop rate on specific FATEs.

Edit: They could have made it 100% books and added an additional "Atma" category centric to low level zone FATEs which could have required doing something like a) beating a specifc boss FATE in a specific low level zone or b) completing every FATE in the zone once.

I have my atma, but I didn't like the process. It just felt so empty and grindy, not very fun.

The thing that gets me is that Yoshi-P says he doesn't want to add randomized mechanics into primal fights or Coil or bosses, on the basis that it isn't fair. Then we have this system where some people get their atmas in 12 hours, some in 12 days, and some who still don't have a full 12 and his response is "Oh well you're just unlucky, sorry."

Given his logic there should at least be some failsafe, like if you farm for x hours or chain x amount of fates you get one regardless. So yes people may get them quickly but everyone is guaranteed one per x amount of measurable effort.

I think people would care less about the RNG element if the grind was actually fun to participate in. Unfortunately it's a soulless, dull grind with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I was bored and started some fates for my 2nd atma weapon

got 3 of 12 after doing 8 fates so far



well, but just 1 alexandrite out of 400 other fates xD

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I think people would care less about the RNG element if the grind was actually fun to participate in. Unfortunately it's a soulless, dull grind with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

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This.

Really guys? OK, so, Legions of Atma FATE Defenders, keep your face smiling, and repeat this:
"I, a Legionary of the Atma FATE Defenders, claim that I find participating in low-level FATEs - where all of my skills are unavailable, my gears' stats capped, and all of my progressions in the game thus far rendered obsolete - for hours upon hours, to be fun, enjoyable and is worthy of the dollars I spent"

Also, of course Yoshi would deny that theory. Would KFC confirm if you present to public their secret recipe? I assume that he's getting the programmers to remove that logic in the game