Eorzea feels like a world with no teeth.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

As I said before, FFXI's zone size is simply an illusion created by making player characters run very slow by default

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Incorrect. (Fyi they boosted movement speed.)

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And before you pass judgement, many of those zones you mentioned weren't even in FFXI from launch

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Ronfaure, LaT Plateau and every zone inbetween Nation > Jeuno was in at launch (which is what some mentioned.) The only zone not in at vanilla was Jeuno in terms of what some mentioned in this thread. The world in XI felt bigger because the overworld wasn't useless to you most of the time - When you're gliding through not caring for the world everything feels smaller.

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Originally Posted by Andrik

however, what I miss most is how some of the dungeons were intertwined with the outside zones. A few examples:

- Eldieme Necropolis and Batallia Downs, in particular the tiny island in the sea. I loved going there, even though there was little reason to.
- Quicksand Caves and Western Altepa; getting to the heart of that dungeon really felt like an adventure.
- The different entrances to Pso'Xja, each with a different level cap, each serving a completely different purpose.
- Temple of Uggalepih/Rancor Den and Yhoator Jungle; probably my favourite area of any RPG I've ever played.
- King Arthro's spawn area in Jugner Forest.
- Horutoto Ruins/Toraimarai Canal/Sarutabaruta

All these things made the world feel more complex and "alive", for want of a better word. All things that FFXIV can never replicate, as long as Yoshi insists on all dungeons being instanced.

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Yeah I'd liek to see this but also instanced dungeons like they are now too. I don''t see any reason we can't have both.

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Originally Posted by Whiz

Yeah I'd liek to see this but also instanced dungeons like they are now too. I don''t see any reason we can't have both.

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You'd think so, but he turned the open world dungeons into Instances, so it seems due to current trend of MMOs, "open world" is "arcahic" design so it's very likely his idea of "open world" dungeons is Brayflox. For example Satasha used to be the open world level 15 dungeon in 1.x with some parts of Cassopiea Hollows (the underground cavern (open world) near Bloodshore in 1.0) as well as parts of Mistbeard Cove.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Incorrect. (Fyi they boosted movement speed.)



Ronfaure, LaT Plateau and every zone inbetween Nation > Jeuno was in at launch (which is what some mentioned.) The only zone not in at vanilla was Jeuno in terms of what some mentioned in this thread. The world in XI felt bigger because the overworld wasn't useless to you most of the time - When you're gliding through not caring for the world everything feels smaller.

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I like the rose tinted glasses bro. But take in to fact that In those days there were 0 instances besides dymamis which was just a copy pasted from an existing zone with harder mobs and a boss. If they took away the movement boost and took away aether crystal tele's in every major town you would think the ARR was larger than FF11 areas and this is the illusion people speak of.

I never played 1.0 but I agree there should be horribly dangerous areas, even to people that are fully geared. It was way to damn easy to get into the beastmen strongholds to get to their aetheryte clusters for HM primals. I'm only in DL gear and I still have no fear of running straight through heavily defended areas...

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You'd think so, but he turned the open world dungeons into Instances, so it seems due to current trend of MMOs, "open world" is "arcahic" design so it's very likely his idea of "open world" dungeons is Brayflox. For example Satasha used to be the open world level 15 dungeon in 1.x with some parts of Cassopiea Hollows (the underground cavern (open world) near Bloodshore in 1.0) as well as parts of Mistbeard Cove.

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I see no problem with open world instances like Chameria and Hydra you still have to travel to the location if the instance its not like you can DF it. Also those old dungeons were empty and were only used to grind mobs or do behest or what ever you called that crap.

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Originally Posted by Fluttersnipe

I never played 1.0 but I agree there should be horribly dangerous areas, even to people that are fully geared. It was way to damn easy to get into the beastmen strongholds to get to their aetheryte clusters for HM primals. I'm only in DL gear and I still have no fear of running straight through heavily defended areas...

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So you want to have to form a 8 man group just to atune to do an instance at 50....really I think i'll pass on that. But if they made a specific zone for 50's with slightly higher mobs and lv 50 daily qst in that area that would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

FFXIV ARR: 1.4 million copies sold worldwide
Metacritic user score: 7.4

Dark Souls: 2.4 million copies sold worldwide
Metacritic user score: 8.3




(yes I know Dark Souls isn't technically a MMO game, but it's an online RPG game which puts it almost in the same category.)

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Uh, No...no, it really does not. At all.

Like, just....how did you even do that.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Read what he was responding to. It wasn't that DarkSouls was better to ARR or not, it was that "no one liked falling into a pit and being blow up" and that it was "bad game design". If it was such a bad game design, then that series would have failed. If anything, many people and reviewers say DS is refreshing due to it's difficulty.

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That's because Dark Souls is a gaming experience that is defined by its relentlessly punishing mechanics. But in a manner that's still different from say, Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden, which are also technically "Action" games but really have nothing in common with Dark Souls. Enough so that they really shouldn't even be in the same genre, but that's just how we categorize things.

Which is why comparing it to an RPG, let alone an MMORPG just makes zero sense.

I'd just love for there to be one or two enemies dotted around who were insanely overpowered. Enemies you would have to avoid or you'd be killed in seconds, even in your shiny Allagan gear.

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Originally Posted by Whiz

So you want to have to form a 8 man group just to atune to do an instance at 50....really I think i'll pass on that. But if they made a specific zone for 50's with slightly higher mobs and lv 50 daily qst in that area that would be cool.

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I didn't say I wanted it to be Incredibly hardcore did I? Its just nice to require a little respite between fights. There's a huge area in between stupidly easy and stupidly hard...