And so begins the Vote-kick abuse

Hate the vote kick system... Very little chance for ppl to learn extreme modes without some tool deciding someone has "failed" and then boom they are booted... I have seen one error boots through df. Getting so only way ppl can learn anything and get fair rolls is through FC or premades. Elitism and intolerance, even racism is being reinforced and rewarded through this system... Don't be surprised to see player numbers fall SE, especially casuals leaving a games that gives them no chance.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

From Reddit:



http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._kick_feature/

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Next time lie and tell them you passed....none of their business what you rolled.

Got into CT this evening, in a join in progress 1/4, and was kicked in 10 seconds for no reason. I literally loaded on the screen took one step forward and got thrown back to Mor Dhona with the message I'd been "dismissed" and Labyrinth of Ancients had ended..
So, wait, I was vote-kicked for just entering the instance???

If we ever are trying to get someone some piece of gear we will announce so up front in a PUG and see if we can come to an agreement. Usually it's a give'n'take situation with them wanting something else and we will pass on that.
We have the same discussion with the FC premade as any other premade. So we have a few multi job people and they want some gear for another job but need to go as something else... so we agree to let them greed on that piece of gear if it rolls. So far it's been working well enough.

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Originally Posted by Ranebow

Which is exactly what begs the question, of why do developers still continue to make these games where people need to share loot-able items and/or that they never produce enough to pass around?

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Because players on the whole WANT IT and a section scream loudly against Tome-like barter systems that give you guaranteed rewards for a pre-konowable amount of effort.

Don't ask me why, I don't get it, but every MMO I play sees people whining when RNG-based drops are replaced by something less random.

All that said, given the 1 week lockout in CT clearly SE's reason is nothing more than dragging out the time needed to get a full set .. it's a naked time sink, nothing more.

How about the ability to kick other alliance members? Getting sick of individuals, even entire pre-made parties, entering into Crystal Tower with the sole intention of ruining it for everybody, doing everything in their power to MPK the alliance at every fight while spamming the chat log with endless nonsense. GM tickets are useless for this as there's no way to properly track these players. I've reported these people several times and given their names, but who knows what server(s) they came from.

"Patch comes out so you can't kick during a loot roll"
-Troll goes full on troll when loot drops and doesn't roll on the loot and pulls next boss early and wipes the raid on purpose, and does it twice.

You can't kick the troll because he's still waiting on loot (he didn't roll or pass it), you have to wait for the loot window to expire. But because you already rolled or passed, you can't see it, and don't know how long is left on it. So you end up in another fight. More gear drops, troll does the same thing. You end up finishing the dungeon unable to kick the troll.

Imo, this would only really work if they prevented engaging in new boss fights until everyone has all the loot. E.g. the shields at the front should be closed until all the loot from the previous encounter clears, then you should have 30 seconds to kick someone.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Got into CT this evening, in a join in progress 1/4, and was kicked in 10 seconds for no reason. I literally loaded on the screen took one step forward and got thrown back to Mor Dhona with the message I'd been "dismissed" and Labyrinth of Ancients had ended..
So, wait, I was vote-kicked for just entering the instance???

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Probably saw that you were a certain job and booted you so X player can get their item guaranteed assuming it drops. Probably had friends in a pre made so yeah, people are douches sometimes.

Ok I was just voted out of the Crystal Tower because you wanted your BLM to have the casting body piece..... I can't.... They need to get that fixed ASAP or take it out all together

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

In the Japanese dungeon forums there's actually a thread discussing this very thing. It's in Japanese but if you can read it there's good insight to what it's like in their shoes.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...95%8F%E9%A1%8C

A lot of them are actually surprisingly understanding to why people queue with J ticked.

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I feel like someone ought to sum this thread up for NA players. Overall, the linked thread is about high level DF content, and how it can be pretty much unclearable if you have someone in the group who doesn't understand the strategy. One interesting thing that was mentioned is that the strategies between NA and JP differ. Like, apparently in JP there's actually an expected order for Alliances to take MT on bosses, whereas in NA it's pretty much "I'm gonna MT this one," or "Who wants to MT?" So you might think "Oh, I know this content so I'll queue JEDF because I'm awesome and can rock it, why are these stupid people doing the wrong thing?", whereas your JP teammates are like "Where is he tanking it? The left? But EVERYONE tanks it on the right...." And if you don't share a language, the auto-translate just isn't good enough to say "So, when you see the message about the abyssal worm, I want you to pick up the crystal and then put it on the sands..."