A plea to reconsider Inner Beast changes

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Like I have said in other threads, my preference would be for Steel Cyclone to get the DR and Inner Beast stay at 300% healed. I get the feeling these changes are here to stay though.

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I'm sure it's also partly a way to address the wonky scaling issues. I think I would have preferred that they kept WAR more reactive in design, but I also understand that it's not nearly as simple as it seems to balance that way. The ease with which a WAR can solo CC Chimera would portend certain design restrictions that the design team would face. The only good way to address that would be to do what WoW did with Death Knight, and I think a lot of people would be disappointed to see that kind of copypasta.

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Originally Posted by Paikis

People who did this are called 'BAD'. You should use Inner Beast EVERY TIME you need a heal.

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That is not necessarily true. At very high damage rates like those seen against stacked Dreadnoughts or double Dreadnoughts (depending on your build), you would want to sit on Wrath rather than use the abilities. These are pretty rare scenarios, of course, but the difference between sitting on Wrath and using Inner Beast is unfortunately small in most late-game content. Wrath overtakes Inner Beast spam around 900-1250 incoming DPS depending on build. The ideal case is usually sitting on Wrath except when Infuriate is available, which overtakes IB spam between 550 and 900 DPS. These are not particularly common damage rates, of course, but it should give you an idea of how damaging it really is losing those Wrath stacks.

Eh, I ran the maths myself. The only place I keep my wrath rather than using IB is when tanking turn 4. Double dread is the only thing in the game where the healing bonus is worth it, because it is constant high incoming damage. Nothing else does enough damage, not even Twintania (because Twin is all spike)

For your viewing pleasure: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._wrath_stacks/

Didn't read every post, because wow, so I hope I'm not bringing up an old point.

It seems dishonest to invoke Yoshida in order to support the idea that people who sit on stacks for the 15%, as opposed to just spending them for the self-heal are "bad" at warrior.
This is, of course, unless you are stating that Yoshida himself doesnt understand how to play the class.

This is what was said regarding the use of Inner Beast in Letter LIVE IX:

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"There's also the matter of Wrath and the use of Inner Beast. I believe that a lot of players are using Inner Beast to self-cure when taking a large amount of damage, but after becoming infuriated with five stacks of Wrath, players receive a 15% curing bonus, so instead of using Inner Beast right after taking heavy damage, I think it would be better to wait for heals from a white mage or scholar."

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Now I know this is an English translation and I dont speak Japanese, but it would seem to me that the producer supports the idea of sitting on stacks for the buff (and holding out for Infurate CD), as opposed to spending the stacks for the heal.
Looking farther back, I was unable to find anything else that supported this idea that Yoshida thinks its best to use the heal whenever HP isnt 100% or whatever magic number you guys use.

Now, none of this supports the idea that Warrior is as good or friendly a tank as Paladin. Tho, also, none of this disputes that idea.

Also, something else should be looked at regarding the upcoming changes to Defiance and Inner Beast, and that is PvP balance. In it's current state Inner Beast seems like it would rock worlds in a PvP setting, much like Death Knight did in WoW until the much needed Death Strike nerfs. Not a proper comparison, I know, Death Strike was nerfed in a context specific way. However, the moment those changes went live, Death Knights changed from being an unstoppable juggernaut to a powerful, but defeatable adversary. There is a big difference here, as the changes brought it from a massive self heal AND an absorb shield that was, if geared, LARGER than the heal itself to simply the absorb shield, whereas in FF14 it would be a damage reduction aura and a medium heal, but hey.

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Originally Posted by Paikis

People who did this are called 'BAD'. You should use Inner Beast EVERY TIME you need a heal.

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No. You're forgetting that you lose the healing buff, which in the end will heal more than inner beast. You use inner beast to top yourself up after heals. The rest of the skills? Worthless.

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Originally Posted by Liiswyer

No. You're forgetting that you lose the healing buff, which in the end will heal more than inner beast. You use inner beast to top yourself up after heals. The rest of the skills? Worthless.

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Steel Cyclone is a better looking skill

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Originally Posted by Liiswyer

No. You're forgetting that you lose the healing buff, which in the end will heal more than inner beast. You use inner beast to top yourself up after heals. The rest of the skills? Worthless.

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This again? No.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._wrath_stacks/

If your Inner Beast heals for 1,000 (darklight w/ Garuda axe) then it is better to use it unless you are getting 1,597 heals every GCD for the next 20 seconds.
If your Inner Beast heals for 1,500 then it is better to use it unless you are getting 2,396 heals every GCD for the next 20 seconds. <- I get about this completely unbuffed*. This is the worst case for me.
If your Inner Beast heals for 2,000 then it is better to use it unless you are getting 3,194 heals every GCD for the next 20 seconds. <- This is about where I am, if I use Berserk or get a crit, but not both.
If your Inner Beast heals for 3,000 then it is better to use it unless you are getting 4,791 heals every GCD for the next 20 seconds. <- This is a crit with Berserk.
If your Inner Beast heals for 3,700 then it is better to use it unless you are getting 5,909 heals every GCD for the next 20 seconds. <- This is my current highest. Crit, Berserk and a STR pot. This only happens on dummies.

The only fights currently where the healing bonus exceeds my absolute worst case scenario are Twintania, some waves in Turn 4, and Caduceus if he gets to 5 stacks. For every other scenario, I'm better off using inner Beast.

*unbuffed means just Maim and Storm's Eye. No food, no potions, no Berserk, no crit.

Your math confuses me.
How does an inner beast heal of 1500, every 22.5s, have the equivalent weight of receiving 2,396 healing every 2.5s?

Unless you are referring to the bonus heal received from 15% wrath?

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Originally Posted by Leiron

Your math confuses me.
How does an inner beast heal of 1500, every 22.5s, have the equivalent weight of receiving 2,396 healing every 2.5s?

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Because you don't gain anything by not using your Inner Beast, you simply maintain the status quo. It is explained in that reddit link I provided, which you obviously didn't read.

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Because you don't gain anything by not using your Inner Beast, you simply maintain the status quo. It is explained in that reddit link I provided, which you obviously didn't read.

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First, I read your post. It wasn't very concise and your idea is rather implicit and not explicit.
Second, drop the attitude. People will disagree with you, deal with it and move on, you won't be convincing anyone to agree with you while you spit vinegar like Taemak does. You look like a jack ass when you drop little quips every time you're unhappy with someone.

The only real argument against not using Inner beast is if you need to save it for a large incoming hit/knowing the healer can top you off.

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Originally Posted by Leiron

Second, drop the attitude. People will disagree with you, deal with it and move on, you won't be convincing anyone to agree with you while you spit vinegar like Taemak does. You look like a jack ass when you drop little quips every time you're unhappy with someone.

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Absolutely priceless.