Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Almost 1,250 posts of people making the same points over and over again. (of course nobody is going to read them all)

Let this thread die.

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Thread's not gonna die until it gets locked or a response lol.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

At this stage it doesn't matter what you call it. The action performed is were the people will hook on and lean one way or another. So call it what you like, here choose any word you like will not change anything. The thing that SE need to consider, is which choice would cause least loss now that the ball is rolling. Loose 3% or 10% (percentages are for example purpose only). Equality may sound good from a user stand point, not so much from a business point.

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Calling it something different DOES change things. If it's not called marriage and it's not explicitly romantic in nature then most wouldn't have reason to dislike it. Also if they don't make it an issue for themselves again, most won't notice.

As I've said before, Valentione's Day was more "controversial" than the above suggestion. It was explicitly romantic and same sex couples were not restricted. I didn't see a slew of "I QUIT!" threads on here because of it. I don't recall even seeing a single complaint over it. Most were overjoyed that SE had decided to not restrict it.

It all boils down to this... would the pyschotic religious zealots who would freak out over something like this... actually be fun people to hang around with in the game...? They generally freak out over people playing opposite gendered characters aswell.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Thread's not gonna die until it gets locked or a response lol.

Calling it something different DOES change things. If it's not called marriage and it's not explicitly romantic in nature then most wouldn't have reason to dislike it. Also if they don't make it an issue for themselves again, most won't notice.

As I've said before, Valentione's Day was more "controversial" than the above suggestion. It was explicitly romantic and same sex couples were not restricted. I didn't see a slew of "I QUIT!" threads on here because of it. I don't recall even seeing a single complaint over it. Most were overjoyed that SE had decided to not restrict it.

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Also, the restriction wouldn't address the thing that Twiddle is afraid of, as there are crossplayers that may be denied or be able to take part in the ceremony, completely sidestepping the issue. What then? Force people to play their gender? Hope they are willing to reroll away months of effort? Cancel vanlentione's day?

Are the zealous folk only pleased that so long as the male pixels get "married" to female pixels? That's a pretty hollow justification to base making the ceremony overly complex....for a ugly precedent that would extend to "moral reviews" on future content. (Future summons and plot related bosses, swimsuits, our very emotes)

If the zealous folk are looking for something to ruffle their feathers on, there's already the various summons present throughout the Final Fantasy series. Is there a thread on that yet?

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Calling it something different DOES change things. If it's not called marriage and it's not explicitly romantic in nature then most wouldn't have reason to dislike it. Also if they don't make it an issue for themselves again, most won't notice.

As I've said before, Valentione's Day was more "controversial" than the above suggestion. It was explicitly romantic and same sex couples were not restricted. I didn't see a slew of "I QUIT!" threads on here because of it. I don't recall even seeing a single complaint over it. Most were overjoyed that SE had decided to not restrict it.

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Edit [I say potato, you say (名) 马铃薯; 土豆, they say kартоф... still means potato regardless of language.] AS well i do agree with you had SE said nothing it would have been smooth sailing.

Well that's what we are both agreeing on, during the Valentione's Day event or any other event's no one said anything because SE didn't say anything. So things were as smooth as can be, and no one would be the wiser. If SE simply said "marriage will be available in a patch after 2.0 is out" and ended it at that. They could have had SS in there as well and no one would make a fuss at all. Heck even a year after the fact no one wold care. But they opened the discussion door, and gave way for public light. I can't see this ending well.

Analogy was simply something that came to mind, don't read to much in to it.!!

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

I say kick in the teeth, you say punt in the teeth, they say a boot in the teeth! 3 ways of saying that a foot will come in to contact with someone's teeth. AS well i do agree with you had SE said nothing it would have been smooth sailing.

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That... is a fairly offensive analogy considering the context of the current discussion...

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

That... is a fairly offensive analogy considering the context of the current discussion...

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Yeah. While I don't think he was implying anything, he could have chosen a better analogy lol.

The way I see it is if you take away the word "Marriage" you take away all of the negative connotations that holds. Those who would like to keep a specific definition of marriage can keep doing that, no matter how much anyone disagrees with it. If they create a system with a new name and its own background/lore then you can get around the "delicate issue". In addition to that, as other have suggested, it doesn't have to be explicitly romantic. If it can hold any number of meanings then you're not really going against anyone's beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Thread's not gonna die until it gets locked or a response lol.

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Thread still going because it has a misleading title, the other thread with the real title concerning the discussion got nuked and locked in a heartbeat that should give you an idea of SE's position about it.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Thread still going because it has a misleading title, the other thread with the real title concerning the discussion got nuked and locked in a heartbeat that should give you an idea of SE's position about it.

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By title the discussion should be about what we think of the marriage aspect as a whole. What the people are discussing is only one aspect. The SS aspect of the coin. Am thinking that SE has yet to take a read through and am sure this one would be gone in a heart beat.

Not only do i think SE has picked a side, but something tells me they are heaving second thoughts about what they let slip.

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Originally Posted by Syrokko

I mean, let's face it...
Nobody is going to avoid this game because it doesn't allow same-sex marriage.
On the other hand, there is a large possibility of a considerable number of prospective players who might avoid the game because they find certain aspects of it to be blasphemous/unethical/immoral and what-have-you.

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Whoa. Just so so horribly wrong..
In fact, accounts have already been canceled because of SE current stance, and we don't even know if it's there final decision...
Also as can be clearly seen from the poll... there is a "considerable number of prospective players who might avoid the game because they find certain aspects of it to be blasphemous/unethical/immoral".. IE banning SSM from the game.

See what I did there..?

Twiddle the fact that you argreed with the above completely biased and unsupported quoted statement destroyed any possible creditability you may have had in this arguement. Not that many people gave you much to begin with, but may have been at least able to follow your train of thought before.. now.. meh, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Exn

Whoa. Just so so horribly wrong..
In fact, accounts have already been canceled because of SE current stance, and we don't even know if it's there final decision...
Also as can be clearly seen from the poll... there is a "considerable number of prospective players who might avoid the game because they find certain aspects of it to be blasphemous/unethical/immoral".. IE banning SSM from the game.

See what I did there..?

Twiddle the fact that you argreed with the above completely biased and unsupported quoted statement destroyed any possible creditability you may have had in this arguement. Not that many people gave you much to begin with, but may have been at least able to follow your train of thought before.. now.. meh, whatever.

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just because of marriage? I mean your not going to stop gay players from gaming... they will still be there... I don't understand why letting 2 characters have a ceremony is such a big deal... there here in game there not going anywhere... get used to it? even without a wedding... I'll host weddings for couples even without s-e mandating it... go craft a level 50 ring and have it signed and I'll throw a large shindig... o.o and you know what everyone's gonna be happy...