New glamour dress on a male (art)

Um.... I think I'll need you to take some screenshots of that skirt from a few more angles... you know, just so I can uh.... get a better view. Of the SKIRT. Yeah....

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

As for the argument about the dress of "it's feminine", it is mostly incorrect. I design and make period costumes for plays and events and [...] both these outfits are technically "unisex"

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Yes. ♥

And maybe the full set as it is might border on what most people would consider "feminine", but the thing with glamours is that you don't have to use the full set. You could go with just the skirt. Or just the top with a pair of trousers. Or just the shoes/sandals. Options, people =D

Also, to those saying a bare chest would be better... There is always the option to use the emperor's new robe as a top glamour instead of this =D
But I'm also curious to see how a non-cloth top for this set could look ^^

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Originally Posted by Fenral

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Ehrm... *plants self with drool bucket to watch*

if its such a big deal make a female char ... reallly that male elvn in original op in a dress might as well be female ... so just make a female char problem solved ... quit trying to bring real life politically correct or incorrect stuff into it... its a fantasy video game they have horns and big ears and tails .... LOL who cares about males not being able to wear a dress reallly... go roll a fantasia and change it up then and relax and go have fun

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Originally Posted by ladyJ

if its such a big deal make a female char ... reallly that male elvn in original op in a dress might as well be female ... so just make a female char problem solved ... quit trying to bring real life politically correct or incorrect stuff into it... its a fantasy video game they have horns and big ears and tails .... LOL who cares about males not being able to wear a dress reallly... go roll a fantasia and change it up then and relax and go have fun

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Sure. I can make a female character. As long as I get to keep the male emote sets, the possibility of going barechested and the voice. That shouldn't be so hard, right? =D Certainly not as hard as making an outfit unisex.

lol its a video game you cant have everything... why not worry about bigger and better things like more inventory space in fc chests... not limiting the items you can place in our outside the fc house... if there were enough fc houses... or the rmt spam LOL something that affects all players

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Originally Posted by ladyJ

lol its a video game you cant have everything... why not worry about bigger and better things like more inventory space in fc chests... not limiting the items you can place in our outside the fc house... if there were enough fc houses... or the rmt spam LOL something that affects all players

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Yes, it's a video game. That doesn't mean that "female characters have more options than male characters" isn't a valid complaint when they keep releasing Female + Unisex gearsets instead of Female + Male or Unisex + Unisex. That doesn't mean that it's a "real-life politically correct" issue. It means those who prefer to play male characters -- whatever their reason -- get fewer glamour options for their subscription fee than those who prefer to play female characters. And the difference keeps increasing for each patch when they release gearsets like this.

"Just play a female character" isn't the answer. Not only doesn't it address the issue, it forces those who prefer to play a male character to ignore that preference and spend more real-life money to get that phantasia potion.

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Originally Posted by ladyJ

lol its a video game you cant have everything... why not worry about bigger and better things like more inventory space in fc chests... not limiting the items you can place in our outside the fc house... if there were enough fc houses... or the rmt spam LOL something that affects all players

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RMT doesn't bother me, not concerned about inventory space in FC chests (My FC's chest is full of junk for people to take out whenever), not everyone wants 100s of Sakura trees in their FC house's yard, new housing is coming and that's a given.

Go figure people have different concerns than others.

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Originally Posted by ladyJ

lol its a video game you cant have everything... why not worry about bigger and better things like more inventory space in fc chests... not limiting the items you can place in our outside the fc house... if there were enough fc houses... or the rmt spam LOL something that affects all players

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Negating an issue with "there are worse issues out there" is and always has been a terrible argument. Take your "there are people out there with it worse than you so you're not allowed to feel x" attitude away from here.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Yeah, right.
http://i.imgur.com/C81ZQy4.png
Run that by me again?

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My favorite mage glamour in the game! I use that and the Colosseum set all the time when I'm on a spellcaster! If only you could dye it though... :(

awesome stuff man. hope SE makes it happen.

This looks amazing. Job well done! <3

I don't get why SE still insists guys can't wear the "female" gear but we can wear the "male" gear. I know there's exceptions in the game, but if you're going to allow one way you should allow the other.

I love it, and I want it, great job Nozomi ! I'm sure my Miqo'te would rock it in jet black. Too bad mage classes don't have access to caligae, other than the WoD boots, so I hope that if we ever get a male version of this belly-dancer outfit, we'll also have the laced-up boots.

Make it happen, Square-Enix !

Oh, I missed ladyJ's quote. I find it funny to accuse those who want this outfit to be made unisex to have a political agenda or bring real life stuff into the game, when those who brought up homosexuality, transgender people and yada yada are those OPPOSED to seing male characters in a dress. Those who like OP's suggestion didn't even mention it before these topics were brought up as (nonsensical) "arguments" against it.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

The Flames Allied Seals DoM feet are caligae, actually! But I still really, really want the shoes from this set to be wearable by guys...mages need more shoe options bad.

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Man, I really need to change my allegiance, between that and the cool skirt posted earlier... sigh.

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Originally Posted by ladyJ

if its such a big deal make a female char ... reallly that male elvn in original op in a dress might as well be female ... so just make a female char problem solved ... quit trying to bring real life politically correct or incorrect stuff into it... its a fantasy video game they have horns and big ears and tails .... LOL who cares about males not being able to wear a dress reallly... go roll a fantasia and change it up then and relax and go have fun

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Just stop asking people to use fantasia to roll into female! There's some reason male don't want to change into female and what we want is some fairness not "Don't like? go become woman" :mad:

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001...d2_xlarge.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Arkann

Too bad mage classes don't have access to caligae, other than the WoD boots

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The Flames Allied Seals DoM feet are caligae, actually! But I still really, really want the shoes from this set to be wearable by guys...mages need more shoe options bad.

Come on now SE. Nintendo lets people do stuff like this and you don't? They get away with letting you blatenetly cross dress in an E rated game, Animal Crossing, as much as you want, and you can't be bothered to tweek an outfit to fit both genders?

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

Come on now SE. Nintendo lets people do stuff like this and you don't? They get away with letting you blatenetly cross dress in an E rated game, Animal Crossing, as much as you want, and you can't be bothered to tweek an outfit to fit both genders?

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I don't know what it is but SE seems to be ignoring these threads. This and the Au Ra horns request threads are the biggest ones going right now and they have yet to say absolutely ANYTHING at all :(. Yet simple pre-order posts get answered, i'd be cool with that IF THERE WASN'T ALREADY EVERY ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS ALREADY ON REDDIT!. SE at least just acknowledge that we exist...

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Originally Posted by Ymal

Just gonna repeat myself again by saying they already have released a lot of dresses and feminine gear for men in this game

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such as? it's not feminine just cause it's a skirt. the closest thing to feminine, is the flame loincloth, and it's not really. plain long skirt, and demon skirts, etc, aren't remotely feminine.
what dresses? the only thing i can find is smock/apron.

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Originally Posted by Onikimaru

I don't know what it is but SE seems to be ignoring these threads. This and the Au Ra horns request threads are the biggest ones going right now and they have yet to say absolutely ANYTHING at all :(. Yet simple pre-order posts get answered, i'd be cool with that IF THERE WASN'T ALREADY EVERY ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS ALREADY ON REDDIT!. SE at least just acknowledge that we exist...

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Wait... where's the Reddit button on these forums? I don't think I've ever seen it. :V

Sarcasm aside, pre-order questions probs take priority since those things need to be squared away ASAP so as not to create a panic in regards to products purchased. As for here... well, even if this was seen and given attention it's clearly they would need to pass through walls to deal with the matter so obviously no sense in saying anything when everything(or nothing) is still in the air.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Yeah, right.
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Run that by me again?

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...mine >.>

By the way - that's one piece of gear (I MEAN THE LOINCLOTH) that somewhat borders what this thread is about. The whole design is extremely unique, and at the same time extremely restricted. Not gender-wise, but still. Just...y'know, one of those things that I think many people wouldn't mind seeing a more "free" version of. Especially considering that respective Twin Adders and Maelstrom gear comes nowhere near this in "coolness" factor either.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Yeah, right.
http://i.imgur.com/C81ZQy4.png
Run that by me again?

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I will state it again.
It is, on its own, not feminine.
It is not a "women's" skirt, it is a unisex loincloth.

This is specifically women's clothing:
http://i.imgur.com/njH5pUQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VgFSma3.jpg
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...g/oshare06.png
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...4a4cc42669.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...1343837251.jpg

This is NOT specifically women's clothing:
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...014-230028.png
(by the way finding this picture took a while compared to every other picture.)
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...al_Flames).png
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2760fd8f.png
(I actually can't tell which gender this one is! Though the lips tell me femRoe)
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...8b7e9f18e3.jpg

(Also insert nearly every other piece of gear in the game into this category. RSE doesn't count.)

And these are MALE clothing
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...b8a33f41dc.jpg




There IS a pattern here, y'know.
Hell just SEARCHING for these will make you realize something important: If you put any of the non-genderlocked outfits into a search engine, the top results will always be a female character wearing it, the posts from the developers announcing it, or something from TERA online (I have no idea why so many Elin show up when I search some of these outfits.). I really had to narrow my search criteria to find that dude in the wrap, whereas when i just entered the item name i got 2 pages of female characters.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

You missed the point. It's not about how the players within the game see each other. We don't care, by and large.
It's how the people OUTSIDE the game see it.
The people reviewing resumes of the artists that designed the outfits.
The stockholders and bosses looking at the game.
The very, VERY vicious Japanese media looking for something to write a derisive article about on a slow news day.
Remember, there are games out there that get a bad rap for actions you CAN take in the game (such as your ability to mow down civilians in games like GTA and the Elder scrolls games, despite most of the actual story of the game not directing you to do such) that aren't even close to the focus.
So again, it has nothing to do with the players of the game, it has to do with those NOT playing the game that either have big wallets or loud mouths (or both)
Something REMOTELY controversial in Japan can torpedo your company's stock prices.
When Ayumi Hamasaki, a famous Japanese singer, had to announce that she was going deaf in one ear, the stock price for her company shot down like a rocket.

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So do you have actual video game examples where cross dressing caused civil unrest among the Japanese stockholder population? How did the vicious Japanese media react to Eternal Bonding between two characters of the same gender? Also, if you, as a player, admit to not care "by and large," why are you going to such lengths to adamantly argue against this?

I suppose you are correct. Perhaps there is something I am missing.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

So do you have actual video game examples where cross dressing caused civil unrest among the Japanese stockholder population? How did the vicious Japanese media react to Eternal Bonding between two characters of the same gender? Also, if you, as a player, admit to not care "by and large," why are you going to such lengths to adamantly argue against this?

I suppose you are correct. Perhaps there is something I am missing.

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I'm not arguing against this per se, I'm simply saying that it won't happen and why it won't happen. Again, I wouldn't mind either way, but that's not the issue I'm addressing.

"Do we want it?" Yes we do. "Can we have it?" No, we can't.
It's not "SHOULD SE do this?" it's "CAN SE do this?"

There aren't any direct examples because again, a lot of this is kept on the down-low. It's not crossdressing SPECIFICALLY that causes the issue, but ANY kind of activity or behavior that deviates from the social norm or conventional expectations. Moreover, it's not limited to one industry or another due to societal expectations. And again, a lot of media gets away with portraying crossdressing because they either center the plot around it (Wandering Son, Otomeboku) make the crossdresser a villain (WAY too many to name. I'll touch on this a bit.), turn the whole thing into a joke (Wall Market in FFVII, "Is this a Zombie?"'s plot), or some combination of the three, usually the second and third.

I found an article on the subject that might be worth reading:
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/06/0...relationships/
Oh...and as nasty as it sounds, you can bet the man mentioned in that article started receiving death threats not long after. If the teenaged pop singer could get them for going out on a date, imagine how bad it would be for someone who gets divorced over something that is normally associated with either comedy or villainy?
SE is not some fringe company that can be edgy and get away with it. They are a huge multi-national corporation with an image to maintain. And as I've mentioned, maintaining your image is HUGE in Japan. They even have specific words for it!
That image, as I mentioned before, allows for EFFEMINATE men but not for FEMININE men. I know the difference can be difficult, but it's there.
Basically, take a look at Amano's concept art for the various Final Fantasies. THAT is the limit. They're not going to be more feminine than what that portrays.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Hell just SEARCHING for these will make you realize something important: If you put any of the non-genderlocked outfits into a search engine, the top results will always be a female character wearing it, the posts from the developers announcing it, or something from TERA online (I have no idea why so many Elin show up when I search some of these outfits.). I really had to narrow my search criteria to find that dude in the wrap, whereas when i just entered the item name i got 2 pages of female characters.

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Let's remove all races except female miqo'te then, others are too few to be bothered with. Same with raids. It's not because it's not used by everyone that you should not do it.
I agree having female outfits wear by male just doesn't fit, but you can have the same outfit slightly modified to fit a male body, just like the Yukata, both are almost the same but with slight adjustments, with slight adjustments you could totally give bunny outfits and bellydancers outfits to male.

The point is considering other gears made for men in the game, a dancer outfit close to the female one but for male wouldn't be "worse".
I was really happy when they decided to give us the long skirt and managed to put up the vanity you put earlier, I might glamour it again after seeing it back after some times.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Hell just SEARCHING for these will make you realize something important: If you put any of the non-genderlocked outfits into a search engine, the top results will always be a female character wearing it, the posts from the developers announcing it, or something from TERA online (I have no idea why so many Elin show up when I search some of these outfits.). I really had to narrow my search criteria to find that dude in the wrap, whereas when i just entered the item name i got 2 pages of female characters.

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Why do so many Elin show up? I'm not sure but the way people talk about it Elin get a gross favoritism as well (it sounds more extreme then our female exclusiveness here too) where Elin get all the glamor gear and even new classes all to them. Which I think is what Lololink was getting at with his post. The development team apparently decided Elin female was the most popular so that they just designed everything for Elin female. Although I admit this is hearsay only on my part.

You may be arguing for why it can't happen and not against it happening, but by doing so you are appearing antagonistic to the purpose of the thread which is not CAN it happen but we WANT it to happen and let them see what kind of support it has.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Let's remove all races except female miqo'te then, others are too few to be bothered with. Same with raids. It's not because it's not used by everyone that you should not do it.

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You're drawing hyperbole, in the excerpt you quoted I was simply expressing that there's just not a lot of call for the outfits to the point that even searching for them using the right name turns up more results for OTHER things than it does what you're actually searching for.
All this means is there's less DEMAND for skirts (and really, let's not kid ourselves. The skirt is the part people actually want here. The top has had more detractors than supporters purely on an aesthetic front, preferring a bare chest to what the OP designed, no one has mentioned the gloves at all, and I think two or three people mentioned the shoes, which aren't really all that special to begin with and i get the feeling even female characters will be using something else for them most of the time.) for male characters, so SE must leverage what it could cost them versus how they would benefit.

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Originally Posted by Terrini

Why do so many Elin show up? I'm not sure but the way people talk about it Elin get a gross favoritism as well (it sounds more extreme then our female exclusiveness here too) where Elin get all the glamor gear and even new classes all to them. Which I think is what Lololink was getting at with his post. The development team apparently decided Elin female was the most popular so that they just designed everything for Elin female. Although I admit this is hearsay only on my part.

You may be arguing for why it can't happen and not against it happening, but by doing so you are appearing antagonistic to the purpose of the thread which is not CAN it happen but we WANT it to happen and let them see what kind of support it has.

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It's true, in fact there are no Elin males. At one point in development, another race known as the Popori were going to be the males...but...well...

Also remember, even though I'm saying it won't happen, I'm not saying it SHOULDN'T happen. If you want it so bad, get the item on a male character even if you can't use it. Show them you want the outfit even if you can't have it. Simply posting in a thread saying "ooo this is neat!" won't necessarily draw their attention.
Which...yeah...this thread already got. When a few people crossed the line and got the mod to axe a bunch of posts.
They're READING this, but to them it's just another in a long line of posts of NA/EU players complaining about things they want/can't have. Go a step further.
Hell, if someone cosplayed the outfit at E3 as a male it might actually do something.

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Are you a paid troll or just extremely ignorant because i really can't tellhttp://bbs.3dmgame.com/static/image/...rapeman/18.gif

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Originally Posted by Onikimaru

Are you a paid troll or just extremely ignorant because i really can't tellhttp://bbs.3dmgame.com/static/image/...rapeman/18.gif

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So, are you willing to describe how I'm ignorant? Because I'm listening.
I'm definitely not paid, and I'm not trolling.

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You want me to tell me why you're ignorant?. But you're so intelligent and wise...why would i do such a thing to a being such as yourself http://bbs.3dmgame.com/static/image/...rapeman/68.gif.

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Make your point, or stop baiting please.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

So, are you willing to describe how I'm ignorant? Because I'm listening.
I'm definitely not paid, and I'm not trolling.

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You want me to tell me why you're ignorant?. But you're so intelligent and wise...why would i do such a thing to a being such as yourself http://bbs.3dmgame.com/static/image/...rapeman/68.gif.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

It's not "SHOULD SE do this?" it's "CAN SE do this?"

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I suppose we can both agree that all roads lead to politics. There are a lot of factors leading to any decision, when it comes to anything in this game. I doubt any one is an "end-all."

I also say we can both agree that neither of us envy the developers, as they are most likely of aware of factors that neither of us will ever be (or even suspect). So many proverbial mistresses to please.

We are consumers, so it's within out rights to make demands, unrealistic as they may seem. It's the developers' job to cater to those demands, when it's within their means. Until we get an official "No/Not/Never" statement, demands will continue to be made. Even then, there's always the chance that consumer demand will trump social bias.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

I suppose we can both agree that all roads lead to politics. There are a lot of factors leading to any decision, when it comes to anything in this game. I doubt any one is an "end-all."

I also say we can both agree that neither of us envy the developers, as they are most likely of aware of factors that neither of us will ever be (or even suspect). So many proverbial mistresses to please.

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Very much so. As I've said over and over, it's OK to want things but as long as you understand that what you want may not be possible for such and such reasons.
As an example, I want a throne of skulls housing item. There's no reason for them to add it (it's not exactly heroic and there's not a lot of decor that goes with it), and it probably won't be added...but it's ok to dream. I can come up with justifications left and right for why they should add a throne of skulls, but in the end it's their decisions as to whether or not it's worth adding it. (I also want a right-click-report option but I think a lot of people want that)
Just try to understand that it's not personal. It's all business.

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Are you a paid troll or just extremely ignorant because i really can't tellhttp://bbs.3dmgame.com/static/image/...rapeman/18.gif

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You know, she has gone to strenuous lengths here in detailing how all this works behind the scenes and even still supports the idea and has encouraged people to go to the next level and show how much people want this to happen. And here you are being snarky and toxic towards her like you're just the coolest thing. Seriously, what is your malfunction?

I think Kyuven is right in that those who really do want this should start going beyond this thread and really show some fervor.

The only next step I can think of is getting Zomi to put my Male Hyur Midlander in the outfit too :P His favorite color is Cerulean Blue and I thing that he'd look pretty good in it!

To kill any further fallacious arguments about "what they will/won't do" and "what we can't have," here is the official response we got to the last thread:

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,



Currently there are many pieces of male equipment that can be altered to be worn by the female characters, but certain equipment specific to females cannot be adjusted for males due to the differences in the character models.

However, there is female-specific gear (such as the head and hand equipment) that can be modified to fit with male character models, so we'll consider those requests based on the feedback we've been receiving. Also, we plan on creating more exciting male-specific equipment in the future to help the balance of gender-specific gear.

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And then this set happens.

Putting aside that the "differences in the character models" line is little more than a weak excuse (female Miqo'te lost their asses in order to keep the male and female models as topologically similar as possible, for the purpose of sharing gear), they did announce that males would be getting more exclusive gear, and that they would be working to balance the amount gender-specific gear.

And then this set happens.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

I think Kyuven is right in that those who really do want this should start going beyond this thread and really show some fervor.

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And how do you do that exactly? Cause as they proposed no I'm not a man so no I can't cosplay my character wearing OP's version. I also don't know how to draw so I can't spam the forums with images of male wearing female gear from this game. I also do not own enough money to go to Japan or the US and riot SE's company directly. Except for asking again and again I really don't see what else we can do, but be free to give examples.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

That's not enough to satisfy me. "It just upsets people" is too weak of an argument. It ignores the core base on why it happens. And if I don't know why, how can I be expected to accept it?

The only reason I keep posting in this thread is because I want to know why. Why does deviating from that standard cause distress?

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I'm going off of the impression that the specific question is "why does seeing a man in women's clothing [or specifically a dress] upset anyone?"

I feel it has to do with human nature and individual experiences.

In front, there are aesthetic senses at work. Some people like what they see in the first post, some people don't. There's nothing inherently right or wrong with liking or not liking it.

And then you introduce the opinions with the like/dislike and throw in politics, and it gets ugly because a lot of people don't take disagreement too well, and a lot of people don't present their disagreement in a good way either. A lot of this ugliness going on comes from a lack of respect for other opinions and people, and some of it's going as far as rejection of them (which is bigotry).
And that's almost all of the distress I recall seeing from this thread--distress over seeing someone disagrees or isn't making the same argument, not so much any upset at the idea that a man would want to wear a dress.

Outside of this thread, there's social conformity and class, personal ethics, and psychology involved. With all of the complex and subtle associations of concepts that individuals form in their brains, there's no way there's a clean answer to why various people would get upset at seeing a man in a dress.

For some, seeing someone break their sense of the norm could be disturbing their sense of everyday security, the way that change attracts attention--we get a little alert/anxious when we see something different or abnormal, because it's unfamiliar and you may not know how to handle it, or what it heralds.
For some, seeing someone not conforming could be going against their sense of ethics. What they know and accept is "right", and going against it is "wrong".

For some, it could be similar to the uncanny valley where there's discomfort from there being a difference in expectation and what is seen. The concept applies a lot in robotics and 3D-animation, where pushing for more realism is usually more appealing and received well, until it reaches a point where there's a dip in acceptance because there's a shift in perception on what you're looking at, and your mind's expectations change.

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a robot stuck inside the uncanny valley is no longer being judged by the standards of a robot doing a passable job at pretending to be human, but is instead being judged by the standards of a human doing a terrible job at acting like a normal person.

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The parallel here would be that some people are no longer seeing a guy trying to dress like a girl, but are instead seeing a girl that no longer fits what they know girls to look like.
It doesn't matter if you consciously acknowledge that you're looking at a robot or a guy, it's just the brain not liking the mismatched combination of perceptual cues its getting, thereby causing discomfort.

And it is a valley. After that dip, there's general acceptance again, like people can enjoy what they see in the CG movies that have been released these past few years (unlike Tin Toy from decades ago). Likewise, guys that can be completely mistaken for girls (or vice versa) have a lot of appeal.

To me it's not a crossdressing outfit that I ask for, but the same outfit modified for male bodies. Which can be done easily for that dancer gear ( and for the bunny outfit ) by simply modifying the chest pieces.

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Can you explain to me the differences between the Yukatas? Because the one on men PCs looks like it was lazily put on, while the one on girl's looks like it's just being worn properly not a good example of "Men's clothes" imo. You're trying to give examples of "Female clothing" by only showing sets that the girl PCs can wear, you've yet to give a definition of what "Female clothing" even means. Does it mean long and flowing with poofy aspects to it? Because lots of robes and skirts are like that too. Does that mean tight and form fitting? Because the Flame's loincloth and subligar are like that as well. The OP made a variant of the outfit for male PCs and I still don't see how it looks like "Female clothing". I mean, this is a game where you can wear this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0.png~original This is on a male PC, note the Midriff but covered chest (Much like the bunny set), the shoes that are basically heels (Well, minus the heel part, but you get what I mean), and the incredibly tight pants. If that's not feminine, then I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.

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Except SE can and should do it. Japan isn't a monolith and at the end of the day I'm sure plenty of stockholders just want to see the money continue being pumped out. FFXIV is a cash cow right now and I doubt making some of the current girl's only sets available for men is going to kill that.

Well.. What about One Piece and the Okama? While they're kind of a joke they're also very important characters and the protagonist of the series is great friends with them. Again Japan isn't a monolith, and it's not like SE couldn't just "Lol here's the dress FOR THE LULZ THOUGH don't wear it seriously EVER! wink wink nudge nudge."

Like, people send each other death threats all the time though, hell celebrities get them so frequently Stateside it's almost hilarious if they weren't things like "I'm going to cut your throat open". Look at the model Kayo Satoh, who maintained being a very popular model and street fighter player even after coming out to the main public that she was transgender. Or this Japanese comedian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaki_Sumitani to which I'm pretty sure what he did, which made him even more popular, was hardly "Maintaining his image". SE being the massive company that it is is able to do this sort of stuff though, they can actually take risks because currently FFXIV is making some big bucks and they owe it to the fans.

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What I really don't get is, if they wanted to not worry about modeling from the girl model to the boy model, why not just start every set with a theme on the men then model it for the girls next?

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I really think this is a big thing that SE should own up to. I get that every company must deceive its customers at some point, but this is just really low. And I totally understand that giving players more options is great, like giving female characters access to male clothing. Those arabian open vests do reveal some chest, so a female version would need to have adjustments... which I understand is OK to do. Why can the same effort not be applied to male characters? Why does Square-Enix favour female characters? Is it because Yoshida's Lala is female?

From Zhexos's response, it's obvious that Square isn't bothered by cultural nonsense and is just concerned with (or pretends to be concerned with) technical limitations. But if female clothing to male clothing presents problems due to differences in character models, why does going from male to female not present those very same problems? I don't get it.

After 14 pages I begin to wonder why this no-gender phenomena is so popular all of a sudden? I bring this up because the way gear is in this game is the same way gear is in almost every game before it and it will not be the last. So what if you can't wear a dress as a male, it is not the end of the world. I swear, this latest generation of players need to grow up and learn that the reality of the world is that just because something becomes a new fad doesn't mean that you should force your new-age opinions on everyone else. I also despise these kids getting all angry that something is not bending to their opinions.

To the people complaining about paying for a game, and they should be able to wear whatever they want...ff14 is not a sandbox mmorpg, so you pay for what the devs design for you. In addtion to that: I am quite sure that nowhere in the terms of service does it say that player's are entitled to such requests.