[suggestion] Bring back skillchains/magic bursts

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Originally Posted by jmp

The point here is that SE didn't explain how BRs work. It is true, those are mostly trash till r40 (tho def down is a good friend), but it doesn't mean they have no point. In ff11 grind party we used to have fights that could last 1 minute against tough mobs. We don't get this here, fights usually last some seconds and there is no way skillchains are going to be useful. If you miss the old skillchains it is not because those aren't in game, because the battle regimens are the same thing. Ok, there is no animation, but skills in br get boosted in damage.

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Agree 100% even SC would be useless before r40 in this scenario. And I really doubt we are ever gonna grind on any mob that lasts longer, the only way to make this system useful even at low ranks is to add midd rank NM.

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Originally Posted by jmp

Alcide will in time, I'm sure.

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I won't, I already said too much, if my ls leader happens to read this thread he's gonna kill me @_@
Unless I don't convince my mates that making a guide would let this system survive, but I don't think it's gonna happen :D

Heh. I don't see why everyone is keeping BRs such a big secret i'll give out the info for free.

From what everyone has already said BRs are pretty much ineffective and useless unless its used against big HP mobs like NMs.

Well this is how a BR should be done for optimal damage:

First you do what we call a "Normal BR" this is to debuff the NM's def and mdef
and it goes like this: Normal Melee >> Normal Melee >> Spirit/Phantom Dart

Debuff doesn't last very long so you have to be quick. Your leader will call out a second BR we call this the "Damage BR"
This BR can go two ways depending on how your party is set up. If you have more Melee DD in your party its going to be: Magic >> Magic >> all other weaponskills go. If your party has more casters then its: Weaponskill >> Weaponskill >> All Magic go. Before you queue up into a BR make sure to use all your buffs (Raging Strike II, Ferocity II, Hawk's Eye, Profundity, etc.)

Executing BRs require very little coordination and the results are tremendous on NMs. Personally I've done up to 1k+ on Great Buffalo and 1.7k+ on Dodore as Arc and sometimes even as Pug.

On good nights my linkshell can even down a NM 4-5 times in one gameday given we find his respawns quick enough.

Oh btw being 8th in a BR does give you the biggest damage boost.

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Originally Posted by Honz

Heh. I don't see why everyone is keeping BRs such a big secret i'll give out the info for free.

From what everyone has already said BRs are pretty much ineffective and useless unless its used against big HP mobs like NMs.

Well this is how a BR should be done for optimal damage:

First you do what we call a "Normal BR" this is to debuff the NM's def and mdef
and it goes like this: Normal Melee >> Normal Melee >> Spirit/Phantom Dart

Debuff doesn't last very long so you have to be quick. Your leader will call out a second BR we call this the "Damage BR"
This BR can go two ways depending on how your party is set up. If you have more Melee DD in your party its going to be: Magic >> Magic >> all other weaponskills go. If your party has more casters then its: Weaponskill >> Weaponskill >> All Magic go. Before you que up into a BR make sure to use all your buffs (Raging Strike II, Ferocity II, Hawk's Eye, Profundity, etc.)

Executing BRs require very little coordination and the results are tremendous on NMs. Personally I've done up to 1k+ on Great Buffalo and 1.7k+ on Dodore as Arc and sometimes even as Pug.

On good nights my linkshell can even down a NM 4-5 times in one gameday given we find his respawns quick enough.

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fail :D

Nowhere near the secrets I was talking about ;)
When I talk about things that people don't know I mean it.

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Originally Posted by Honz

Heh. I don't see why everyone is keeping BRs such a big secret i'll give out the info for free.

From what everyone has already said BRs are pretty much ineffective and useless unless its used against big HP mobs like NMs.

Well this is how a BR should be done for optimal damage:

First you do what we call a "Normal BR" this is to debuff the NM's def and mdef
and it goes like this: Normal Melee >> Normal Melee >> Spirit/Phantom Dart

Debuff doesn't last very long so you have to be quick. Your leader will call out a second BR we call this the "Damage BR"
This BR can go two ways depending on how your party is set up. If you have more Melee DD in your party its going to be: Magic >> Magic >> all other weaponskills go. If your party has more casters then its: Weaponskill >> Weaponskill >> All Magic go. Before you que up into a BR make sure to use all your buffs (Raging Strike II, Ferocity II, Hawk's Eye, Profundity, etc.)

Executing BRs require very little coordination and the results are tremendous on NMs. Personally I've done up to 1k+ on Great Buffalo and 1.7k+ on Dodore as Arc and sometimes even as Pug.

On good nights my linkshell can even down a NM 4-5 times in one gameday given we find his respawns quick enough.

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Everything's right, but there's more then this :P

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Originally Posted by jmp

fail :D

Nowhere near the secrets I was talking about ;)

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What? That you can jump into a BR during a BR to get dmg boost as well? Therefore have a unlimited amount of people do a BR? Thats not a big secret bro lots of people on my server already know.

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To clear things up for people that don't know what I'm trying to get through. If you time a spell, weapon skill or even a normal attack correctly you can get a massive damage boost if you execute it while a BR is being released. Never thought people would think this is a big secret since most big linkshells already know of it. From what I see people who haven't done NMs don't know how to execute a good BR just trying to share good info is all.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Everything's right, but there's more then this :P

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I'm actually impressed Alcide. I wonder if you understood the tactics you are using :P
I'll report you to Zabusa for your unknowledge of NM tactics

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Originally Posted by Honz

What that you can jump into a BR during a during a get a dmg boost as well? Therefore have a unlimited amount of people do a BR? Thats not a big secret bro lots of people on my server already know.

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Way to go, that's more interesting. I'm glad someone on this forum actually knows what he speaks about.
Still more tho.

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Originally Posted by jmp

Way to go, that's more interesting. I'm glad someone on this forum actually knows what he speaks about.
Still more tho.

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I get the feeling you're trolling. You mention that you know the secrets of BR and they are so mind blowing that you dare not speak them. Although, only Honz has delivered on actual information on BR you still sit there and say you know even more.

Bottom line is if you know something, please tell the community rather than troll it because you're not impressing anyone. :)

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Originally Posted by Gezeru

I get the feeling you're trolling. You mention that you know the secrets of BR and they are so mind blowing that you dare not speak them. Although, only Honz has delivered on actual information on BR you still sit there and say you know even more.

Bottom line is if you know something, please tell the community rather than troll it because you're not impressing anyone. :)

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Ls leaders would be very unpleased. So feel free to say I'm trolling, but I'm not gonna tell you what I know. Want to play hot and cold? It's ok with me, I can tell you how close you are, but I'm not gonna be the first one revealing things.

Probably last post on this topic. So I won't troll anymore ;)

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Originally Posted by jmp

Ls leaders would be very unpleased. So feel free to say I'm trolling, but I'm not gonna tell you what I know. Want to play hot and cold? It's ok with me, I can tell you how close you are, but I'm not gonna be the first one revealing things.

Probably last post on this topic. So I won't troll anymore ;)

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Exactly you are only proving the point that you know absolutely nothing. I'm also gonna call you out on trolling as well and until proven otherwise.

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Originally Posted by jmp

I'm actually impressed Alcide. I wonder if you understood the tactics you are using :P
I'll report you to Zabusa for your unknowledge of NM tactics

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Noooo don't do it D: I meant what he said is actually fine, still better then throwing in everything, but I know there's far more, I was there with Zabusa and the others when we started testing :P

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Originally Posted by Gezeru

Bottom line is if you know something, please tell the community rather than troll it because you're not impressing anyone. :)

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It's not that we are trolling, I want this system to survive to the whole "do whatever the not-playing-people want" thing so I'm here giving hints, hoping that people will try out different settings and find out how amazing this system is, but still I understand why my ls mates don't want to divulgate our tactics so I can't say everything.

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Originally Posted by Honz

Exactly you are only proving the point that you know absolutely nothing. I'm also gonna call you out on trolling as well and until proven otherwise.

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Call us whatever you want, but there will be a time when me and Jmp will say we told ya :p