SE is always SE... Rage inside... :/

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Originally Posted by Colino

Oh for fuck's sake.



Again, I never said it was right, or cool or anything at all. All I said was that regardless of the NDA, people will breach to tell their friends etc etc.

I'm not trying to find loopholes in the NDA or anything like that, I'm tired of repeating this and it's getting a bit ridicolous tbh.

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Then why did you bring it up in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Colino

Why do I keep hearing this?

A friend could always tell you IN PRIVATE, some of you people sound like the NDA is some pact that makes the police knock on your door if you tell anyone.

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That's because it is precisely a contract between you and SE to not let anyone know about the alpha testing going on. Be it private or not, YOU ARE BREACHING NDA. People are merely reinforcing it; I don't see what's wrong with pointing out facts and rightful words.

As you find my posts ridiculous, I find your posts equally as ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Can anyone tell me where it says you can not tell anyone that you are in the alpha?

It is not a secret there will be alpha testing, it even says so on the official page. How can it hurt anyone at all knowing that person X is an alpha tester or not?

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I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

Not exactly sure, but I applied while my account was inactive and it DID NOT ALLOW IT. Only after was I allowed to apply.

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In which I also stated my confusion a few pages back.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

In which case, it may have been a glitch, because I had one friend who tried to apply with an inactive account, but the alpha registration page rejected him, or so he said. The fact that Dragonheart's friend managed to apply with an inactive account puzzles me.

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It should be looked into. But we should still avoid NDA-breaches. I'll keep saying it, just like how people keep nit-picking on animations or grass or whatever. Find it annoying, deal with it.

FF fans are the biggest bunch of whingers. I have more than 1 account, probably payed more to play FFXIV than most people who are in alpha, do I complain, no.
We were told very emphatically that not everyone would get into alpha and that legacy status was no guarantee of anything. When we were given Legacy status it was quite clear what the rewards were and getting into alpha was not listed.
Now go and whinge about something else.

FB old guild group:


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Sono ufficialmente Alpha Tester, sto scaricando il client LOL. - I'm officially an alpha tester, i'm downloading the client
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Me: Avevi account inattivo o attivo? Io che sembro il PR italiano della SE niente :/ - You had an active account?
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Originally Posted by AntonyB

I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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IIRC, the fact that you are in alpha is subject to NDA, meaning that knowing someone is in alpha breaches the NDA. Either way, best to be on the safe side in any case.

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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That is exactly what I think. Who cares if I am in the alpha test or not ... as long as I do not post anything about the content or status of the game, server etc. I do not see how it would cause trouble.

Not saying I am in or out of the alpha, but I simply do not get all the wannabe police officers here going all nuts on people saying a friend of them got into alpha ....

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

IIRC, the fact that you are in alpha is subject to NDA, meaning that knowing someone is in alpha breaches the NDA. Either way, best to be on the safe side in any case.

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Not trying to be a pain, but how are you getting to this conclusion? Really, just asking since I do not seem to get it :P

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Then why did you bring it up in the first place?

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I brought it up because some people were marveled at the fact that OP had been told from a friend that he had received an invite.

I simply stated that while this friend clearly should not have told him, it happened anyway, and despite the NDA clearly stating you shouldn't, this is something that happens.

I didn't bring it up to say it's cool, I didn't bring it up to say it's fun and totally ok, I brought it up because it's happening anyway and that is unfortunate.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

That's because it is precisely a contract between you and SE to not let anyone know about the alpha testing going on. Be it private or not, YOU ARE BREACHING NDA. People are merely reinforcing it; I don't see what's wrong with pointing out facts and rightful words.

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I never said there's anything wrong with it. What I said was that bringing up the NDA does not change the fact that some people breeched it anyway, you get me?

I'm not being passive agressive or anything, I'm just saying it happened and that's that.

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Originally Posted by AntonyB

I don't think I have seen anywhere that you can't say it, I could be wrong tho. I think it just means that you can't post stuff ABOUT the alpha itself, how it runs/works/etc etc. Like I said, I could be wrong tho.

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No, it does say in the NDA you should not inform anyone. It's even been quoted a couple of posts ago.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

That is exactly what I think. Who cares if I am in the alpha test or not ... as long as I do not post anything about the content or status of the game, server etc. I do not see how it would cause trouble.

Not saying I am in or out of the alpha, but I simply do not get all the wannabe police officers here going all nuts on people saying a friend of them got into alpha ....

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Well, it's his own fault. It certainly makes him seem less trustworthy to be able to abide by the NDA - if SE wants to their chances with such a person, fine by me. Is cautioning people nowadays that annoying? Is that what our generation had descended down to?

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Not trying to be a pain, but how are you getting to this conclusion? Really, just asking since I do not seem to get it :P

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It was a post somewhere long back when alpha news first started, where devs cautioned us, and someone (forgot if it was a dev or a fellow forum poster) mentioned about how strict NDA can be even about your participation in alpha.

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Originally Posted by Colino

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If his friend brought it up to him, that's fine. But I felt that him posting it onto the Official Forums marks Dragonheart as indirectly guilty of breaching NDA as well. And that Dragonheart may suffer the consequences as outlined in the alpha registration page.

(Maybe I got on a bout of misunderstanding, in which case I apologise. :| )