They should put actual MMO players on the development team.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

advanced skill in programming, all things a random MMO player don't have.

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You would be surprised, if you would know how many skilled programmers are actually playing MMO's.

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Originally Posted by Alderton

Explain, in detail, how this would work. We'll start there. Your OP describes that you think people who have played MMOs for a long time should give feedback, but that's really the extent of the idea that I've seen.

EDIT: and more informed on what subject than you?

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Did you read the OP after I retyped the whole thing like an hour ago?

And I was referring to the subject of the direction of creative development for MMORPGs, what this whole thread is about pretty much... besides spelling of course. I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject, but I think my concept was a pretty common sense approach.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

I see your point but... developers have many tasks other then sitting at a desk and say "ok, let's put in game this and this". They review costs, they guide teams, and notherless they need advanced skill in programming, all things a random MMO player don't have. Leave feedback to the players, developing a game isn't part of the fun

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I'm not saying that this hypothetical panel of players should make the game. I'm just saying this:

1: Take career MMO player who learned how to speak Japanese from poorly dubbbed anime out of basement.
2: Put career MMO player in office in Japan.
2.5: Pay carrer MMO player ¥20 and 5 bowls a rice a week to play a MMO all day.
3: Ask career MMO player for feedback on new content before it's released.
4: ???
5: Profit!

The only other option I can see is to open up beta servers for testing on every update before it goes out, and this wont help much with the concept creation aspect of the content...

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Originally Posted by Nero

You would be surprised, if you would know how many skilled programmers are actually playing MMO's.

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Thank you master of oblius. I'm a programmer myself, don't mean i can step in a SE office and say "i'm a dedicated mmo player since 10 years, from now i'm your boss" and expecting good results. A leader need more qualities other than programming skill, as i already stated

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Originally Posted by Mijin

I'm not saying that this hypothetical panel of players should make the game. I'm just saying this:

1: Take career MMO player who learned how to speak Japanese from poorly dubbbed anime out of basement.
2: Put career MMO player in office in Japan.
2.5: Pay carrer MMO player ¥20 and 5 bowls a rice a week to play a MMO all day.
3: Ask career MMO player for feedback on new content before it's released.
4: ???
5: Profit!

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.....well, shit. This is actually what every gaming society do with their QA, both internal and external. Both of this also provide feedbacks, and they are both workers and dedicated players. What's the news in this ?

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Thank you master of oblius.

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Your welcome.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

I'm a programmer myself, don't mean i can step in a SE office and say "i'm a dedicated mmo player since 10 years, from now i'm your boss" and expecting good results.

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Noone said that, eh?

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

A leader need more qualities other than programming skill, as i already stated

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You said:

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

They review costs, they guide teams, and notherless they need advanced skill in programming,

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So you are a hobby-programmer? Since the qualities you've mentioned are actually part of the study-process in certain classes of programming.

I was just pointing out that there is a good amount of programmers are actually playing MMO's, same with AD's, Seniors etc. You get offended easy, no?

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Thank you master of oblius. I'm a programmer myself, don't mean i can step in a SE office and say "i'm a dedicated mmo player since 10 years, from now i'm your boss" and expecting good results. A leader need more qualities other than programming skill, as i already stated



.....well, shit. This is actually what every gaming society do with their QA, both internal and external. Both of this also provide feedbacks, and they are both workers and dedicated players. What's the news in this ?

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Well I'm not an expert, but word on the streets has it that quality assurance is for testing bugs, difficulty, and stuff like that. They don't have people on the QA team to test stuff like:
"Dear QA staff, is not adding an AH to the game a really terribad idea?"

If they do have that then they need to get some more informed people on board with them, so my argument remains the same.

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Originally Posted by Nero

So you are a hobby-programmer? Since the qualities you've mentioned are actually part of the study-process in certain classes of programming.

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Then again thank you, master of oblius. I don't feel the need to list every attitude a good leader need to have other the 3 i said. It's not the point.
The point is : you can't let someone camed from nowhere be a leader.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

Well I'm not an expert, but word on the streets has it that quality assurance is for testing bugs, difficulty, and stuff like that. They don't have people on the QA team to test stuff like:
"Dear QA staff, is not adding an AH to the game a really terribad idea?"

If they do have that then they need to get some more informed people on board with them, so my argument remains the same.

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Oh, i'm sure they did. But if director have a certain idea and want it to be done, feedbacks have relative meaning for him

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Then again thank you, master of oblius.

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Your welcome again.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

I don't feel the need to list every attitude a good leader need to have other the 3 i said. It's not the point.

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Then dont start argueing about it, if you dont feel like you have to. And if its not the point, why even start it?

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

The point is : you can't let someone camed from nowhere be a leader.

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Welcome to Business. Happens a lot.

Hey you two... Stop fighting with each other, I'm supposed to be the enemy here. I did make a suggestion and making suggestions 'round these parts is fighting words.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

Hey you two... Stop fighting with each other, I'm supposed to be the enemy here. I did make a suggestion and making suggestions 'round these parts is fighting words.

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I'm not fighting. :) You are the enemy? eh, i dont think so. You have your opinion, with a good amount of good statements. Or are you a Neomarl in a Sheepskin?