Yo-Kai Event: BLU Major Griefing Problem

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Originally Posted by Sesera

If someone parks their car in front of yours and you can't leave you don't care if the guy is doing it because he is a prick or just because he is naturally a jerk. You want him to get his car out of the way and not doing that ever again.

That the same for blue we don't care why he is making us missing the fate we want him to stop doing it.

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Nobody is on your way, you are free to speed up.
BLU doesn't have a teleport to fate spell (yet).

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I have tried and when you do this you get a snarky reply back or a "git gud". They know what they're doing, it's on purpose.
Getting people to whine and beg them to stop is the point of trolls like this. Getting people upset that they're going to miss out on rewards for the Yokai watch event is the point.

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Can confirmed I asked blue mage not to os fate bosses and was told to "play blue mage" like great let me fix something that is a problem by becoming someone else problem.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

besides there are plenty of things that you can do in game that are still banned and you shouldn't do. you could rescue grab a random person and pull them into an instant kill aoe, but you're going to get banned for it. You could bait a monster into killing someone in Eureka and refuse to rez them so they have to delevel and slow their progress in the content, you are going to get punished for it though.
you could shirk a healer and get them killed but you're going to get punished for it.

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Yes, you are describing someone targeting another player just to maliciously bully them and spoil their game on purpose. That's not what BLUs are doing. Doing content with a class designed to excel at that content to get rewards out of that same content is not griefing. Just like playing an overpowered job in PvP and stopping other people from getting wins isn't griefing, it's how you get your own rewards. The same way spawning and engaging an S rank where a newbie is mining ore and gets killed, isn't griefing, because there is no malice behind it and it happens as a result of people playing open world content in the same space.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Yes, you are describing someone targeting another player just to maliciously bully them and spoil their game on purpose. That's not what BLUs are doing. Doing content with a class designed to excel at that content to get rewards out of that same content is not griefing. Just like playing an overpowered job in PvP and stopping other people from getting wins isn't griefing, it's how you get your own rewards. The same way spawning and engaging an S rank where a newbie is mining ore and gets killed, isn't griefing, because there is no malice behind it and it happens as a result of people playing open world content in the same space.

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In a competitive atmosphere, almost nothing can be considered griefing, and it becomes cheating more than anything. This is PvE. But willingly acting in a way that obstructs someone else's play can be. Sure, it has to be malicious, but I would argue you can see people struggling to keep up. They might even complain about it in chat. If you take that knowledge and still continue to nuke FATEs so you can get yours and screw everybody else, when does it become malicious? If you're the one struggling for whatever reason, maybe you don't have Blue leveled, or you don't want to be an jerk you tend to see that player interaction as negative at the very least. So, are you doing it maliciously to me? I would think so if it were me. Granted, I'm just swimming and not causing a bother, but at least to me, these players know what they're doing. They're griefing. If it was some miraculous accident, sure, but you'd have to be pretty disingenuous to believe that everyone who is nuking FATEs is innocent despite how it's affecting everyone else. And at that point, it's being done with intent. It's up to a person to person basis to see if there's any malice behind it, but if human nature is anything but predictable there's at least someone who's getting their rocks off ruining the experience of others which in that case by definition is griefing.

But I'm not a rules lawer or a real one, so grain of salt, but to me, it's griefing if you willingly know and participate in doing it.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Sure, it has to be malicious, but I would argue you can see people struggling to keep up. They might even complain about it in chat. If you take that knowledge and still continue to nuke FATEs so you can get yours and screw everybody else, when does it become malicious?

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Sometimes during an A rank train there is so much congestion people's teleports start failing and people kill the A ranks in the next zone without waiting for those who were left behind. That's not griefing either. The people who did manage to move to the next zone are not preventing others from doing the content; the ones unable to teleport can hunt when there is less congestion or they can try to be faster. The exact same applies here.

Complaining about missing out is valid, but missing out doesn't give someone the right to dictate how fast others are killing objectives for their own rewards. Trying to enforce a play style is against the rules.

When does it become malicious? If you see BLUs killing fates and they aren't in need of xp, don't have a minion out and aren't wearing a Yokai watch, there is reason to suspect they are doing it to grief.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Sometimes during an A rank train there is so much congestion people's teleports start failing and people kill the A ranks in the next zone without waiting for those who were left behind. That's not griefing either. The people who did manage to move to the next zone are not preventing others from doing the content; the ones unable to teleport can hunt when there is less congestion or they can try to be faster. The exact same applies here.

Complaining about missing out is valid, but missing out doesn't give someone the right to dictate how fast others are killing objectives for their own rewards. Trying to enforce a play style is against the rules.

When does it become malicious? If you see BLUs killing fates and they aren't in need of xp, don't have a minion out and aren't wearing a Yokai watch, there is reason to suspect they are doing it to grief.

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Again, if you know what you're doing, it is negatively impacting others, which you would. People have been extremely vocal about their disdain for how those players have been acting. Again, you're trying to make it not griefing when any 5 year old would tell you it is.

Next you're gonna say logging into the game during an expansion launch is griefing because I'm taking away the queue spot for another player. Time to maliciously log into limsa and grief everyone!
Do you make sure anytime you go out to grind fates you create parties for f2p players? They can't make their own parties so if you don't help them you are actively griefing them by taking their spots.
Again, hurry up and keep up. BLU mages don't teleport instantly to fates and they don't fly faster.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Next you're gonna say logging into the game during an expansion launch is griefing because I'm taking away the queue spot for another player. Time to maliciously log into limsa and grief everyone!
Do you make sure anytime you go out to grind fates you create parties for f2p players? They can't make their own parties so if you don't help them you are actively griefing them by taking their spots.
Again, hurry up and keep up. BLU mages don't teleport instantly to fates and they don't fly faster.

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No, you're creating a straw man.

I don't have a side in this argument, but I can say that within about 3 1 - 2 hour sessions over the week I've gotten all the minions and 3 weapons, so the sweaty blu groups are long finished with the event. I just went DRK and turned on tank stance. It's not bad at all.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Again, if you know what you're doing, it is negatively impacting others, which you would. People have been extremely vocal about their disdain for how those players have been acting. Again, you're trying to make it not griefing when any 5 year old would tell you it is.

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There is going to be negative impact when everyone is trying to farm FATEs for an event at the same time.

Trying to prove malicious intent on the part of those choosing to use BLU is going to be an uphill battle.

These exact same complaints were aired the last time the Yokai event happened. SE did nothing and after a couple of weeks all the players using BLU to farm their medallions got what wanted and disappeared.

SE is extremely unlikely to suddenly decide to do something about it this time. We do have 2 months to get what we're after. There's nothing wrong with having a little patience until feeding frenzy passes. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong to be upset over the impact of BLU on the FATEs but it's a losing battle that really isn't worth fighting considering SE's past track record on this exact subject.