Is SE planning to deal with ilvl cheese people?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Some of you that are so bothered by the cheese

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Well I like alliance raids and I like doing roulettes but get sick of getting the same one 90% of the time. It's completely fair to be annoyed when your "roulette" consists of only 3 choices (and the most awful 3 out of all alliance raids) because people refuse to do the others.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

really need to ask yourselves why you do the roulette and what is that you get that you can't get some other way.

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This literally applies more to people who unequip gear than it does anyone else lol. Why even queue for this roulette if you need to remove all your gear first so that you ONLY get the first raids? Go do some fates, or a quest, anything else.

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Originally Posted by GrumbleBeard

This literally applies more to people who unequip gear than it does anyone else lol. Why even queue for this roulette if you need to remove all your gear first so that you ONLY get the first raids? Go do some fates, or a quest, anything else.

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Factually incorrect. There's:

1) People who need it for the MSQ (every single person going through it), and a single person needing a CT raid will drag 23 other people into it.

2) People who need CT for ShB Relics (Need a whopping 15 of them per relic). This is the main culprit. People want to knock out 2 birds with one stone. Unequipping items to guarantee a CT raid makes it go fast, and gets them progress for relic, blame that one on the lack of foresight of the FFXIV Dev team. And the solution is ridiculously simple: Simply make it use the Alliance Raid to gain the Relic item INSTEAD OF CT RAIDS..

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Some of you that are so bothered by the cheese really need to ask yourselves why you do the roulette and what is that you get that you can't get some other way.

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Deveryn, please. Imagine I give you a deck of cards, shuffle it up, but then put the Ace of Spades on top of it and told you to draw the card on top. What you're saying is no different than "What do you mean it's rigged, I shuffled it before, so it's random".

What do we get out of it? Maybe a cooler alliance raid that won't bore us to death and actually keep us engaged. Orbonne Monastery is engaging and makes me appreciate the gameplay. CT makes me appreciate the 1 and 2 keys on my keyboard and that's all.

The easiest thing for them to do is just to lower the ilvl sync of the CT raids to the point where people actually have to do the mechanics again. It was honestly needed all the way back in ARR.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I would be more a fan of adjusting and restoring Crystal Tower content to actually represent the challenge level it was meant to be when it launched, so that mechanics aren't skipped and we can actually see what the bosses are meant to be like.

https://i.imgur.com/O3NUP8l.jpg

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After a decade of skipping his mechanics, I still remember them. How every odd.

Just FYI, once you’ve queued up you can re-equip your gear and nobody in CT will know you cheesed it. Have a great weekend.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Deveryn, please. Imagine I give you a deck of cards, shuffle it up, but then put the Ace of Spades on top of it and told you to draw the card on top. What you're saying is no different than "What do you mean it's rigged, I shuffled it before, so it's random".

What do we get out of it? Maybe a cooler alliance raid that won't bore us to death and actually keep us engaged. Orbonne Monastery is engaging and makes me appreciate the gameplay. CT makes me appreciate the 1 and 2 keys on my keyboard and that's all.

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I'm not doing that at all. I (and others) have acknowledged that the odds are unfortunately stacked on something with only 13 possibilities.

You think I'm trying to be slick or something, but there are people want a 1 in 10 shot at something different, which is very inconsiderate of those that might actually need to do CT for one reason or another. Why should they suffer long queues? The team isn't going to push that kind of change.

I'm not against it. I don't see them adjusting the fights anytime soon, at least not until Duty Support is all caught up. I also feel like this is something they might not do at all because you don't want the first alliance raids to be that much more difficult for people. Rather than a slight change, they'll likely favor no change.

All that being said, I'm in favor of taking a more proactive approach as things just take time to get looked at or even changed. If you want to do Orbonne, run Orbonne.

Hell, instead of fighting the cheese, why not join in? Get some lower level gear to swap to if you find yourself in CT. Make that a thing.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

2) People who need CT for ShB Relics (Need a whopping 15 of them per relic). This is the main culprit. People want to knock out 2 birds with one stone. Unequipping items to guarantee a CT raid makes it go fast, and gets them progress for relic, blame that one on the lack of foresight of the FFXIV Dev team. And the solution is ridiculously simple: Simply make it use the Alliance Raid to gain the Relic item INSTEAD OF CT RAIDS..

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Why in the world do you think anyone looking for specific relic updates (CT is also included in relics for ARR and HW so it's not just ShB btw) would not direct queue instead of relying on cheesing a roulette?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Why in the world do you think anyone looking for specific relic updates (CT is also included in relics for ARR and HW so it's not just ShB btw) would not direct queue instead of relying on cheesing a roulette?

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It's where you play the long game and "farm" up the relic drops over 15 days to snag up 15 roulette rewards on top of that.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Factually incorrect. There's:

1) Simply make it use the Alliance Raid to gain the Relic item INSTEAD OF CT RAIDS..

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They will never do that because their main concern is to cater to new players, they don’t want new players to wait around or go completely helpless into duties. Thats why every damn time there’s some event, whatever gives the most tomes it’s always crystal, labirinth, world of darkness and of course, preatorium. I wish they removed it from msq, better for all of us.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

They will never do that because their main concern is to cater to new players, they don’t want new players to wait around or go completely helpless into duties. Thats why every damn time there’s some event, whatever gives the most tomes it’s always crystal, labirinth, world of darkness and of course, preatorium. I wish they removed it from msq, better for all of us.

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Actually, there's a tendency to push Orbonne or Void for moogletomes. If they ever had CT in there, it was likely related to something major coming up. (but watch it come up for the 6.3 build up :D )