Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

I may have spoiled myself a little (am I to understand Zenos dies), but I just started, "Going Underground" and I must say everything feels...slower than it should. Going underground is a level 88 quest, yet it feels like I'm only halfway through the story. I would have expected finding and stopping Meteion to be a bigger thing, maybe with her trying to stop us along the way, yet I'm about to help the forum with their Aetherburner and possibly faff about with the rabbits.

Without spoiling, can anyone tell me if the story ending is satisfying to you?

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Originally Posted by Adonan

I may have spoiled myself a little (am I to understand Zenos dies), but I just started, "Going Underground" and I must say everything feels...slower than it should. Going underground is a level 88 quest, yet it feels like I'm only halfway through the story. I would have expected finding and stopping Meteion to be a bigger thing, maybe with her trying to stop us along the way, yet I'm about to help the forum with their Aetherburner and possibly faff about with the rabbits.

Without spoiling, can anyone tell me if the story ending is satisfying to you?

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I’d say about 75% of the story isn’t satisfying for me. The ending specifically? I wouldn’t play the ending of the game for my least favorite person in the world its torture.

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Originally Posted by Adonan

I may have spoiled myself a little (am I to understand Zenos dies), but I just started, "Going Underground" and I must say everything feels...slower than it should. Going underground is a level 88 quest, yet it feels like I'm only halfway through the story. I would have expected finding and stopping Meteion to be a bigger thing, maybe with her trying to stop us along the way, yet I'm about to help the forum with their Aetherburner and possibly faff about with the rabbits.

Without spoiling, can anyone tell me if the story ending is satisfying to you?

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I'd say 50/50. The final boss is portrayed well, but then they shoehorn in another character in an anticlimactic way.

I was really frustrated that the same franchise uses two forms of time travel for literally no reason.

If Elpis reused multiverse theory it would have been perfect. Instead we need to believe that Venat consigned everyone she knew and loved to an awful death because the WoL was just a really cool dude.

Other than that the MSQ was amazing in some parts and awful in others. It could have used tighter pacing and less padding. With one less antagonist. Overall 6.5/10.

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Originally Posted by HappyHubris

If Elpis reused multiverse theory it would have been perfect. Instead we need to believe that Venat consigned everyone she knew and loved to an awful death because the WoL was just a really cool dude.

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Yeah they should really stay away from time travel and alternate dimensions.

The notion that after Emet and Hythlodaeus get their memory wiped Venat decides not to try to pledge her case again in a society where open debate is promoted and accepted is hilarious in it's narrative amateurishness.

At the very least she could have convinced the Convocation to ban creation magicks within cities to reduce the number of abominations that spawn. Then once the Final Days began proving her crazy ramblings right, they could all have worked together to either send Zodiark to defeat Meteion or throw an Aether nuke at her.

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Originally Posted by HappyHubris

If Elpis reused multiverse theory it would have been perfect. Instead we need to believe that Venat consigned everyone she knew and loved to an awful death because the WoL was just a really cool dude.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

The notion that after Emet and Hythlodaeus get their memory wiped Venat decides not to try to pledge her case again in a society where open debate is promoted and accepted is hilarious in it's narrative amateurishness.

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It was the easy way out for the writers. Writing about a multiverse or an altered timeline would've made the plot quite a bit more complicated. The memory erasure and Venat's inaction were more for the convenience of the writers rather than good story telling.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

It was the easy way out for the writers. Writing about a multiverse or an altered timeline would've made the plot quite a bit more complicated. The memory erasure and Venat's inaction were more for the convenience of the writers rather than good story telling.

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And yet people still claim that the story was good, rather than a narrative disaster.

Well, to each their own... I honestly didn't play a game with such a good story. There are small flaws here and there, but they're completely overshadowed by the bigger picture.

I see a lot of people complaining about the pacing... I'm the only one who actually really loved the pacing? It feels like the more quitet bits are kind of a break or calm before the storm. Probably without them, it would feel more exhaustive... A tip, is that I found those zones to be much more enjoyable if you go through them rested, and not like after 5 hours of playing a really dramatic and busy one.

The only thing that disappointed me a bit is that the world didn't really "burn". Maybe it would be too much for the time constraints, but I was really expecting more losses and destruction in old zones. Thought that would be explored like between Elpis and the last zone. Imagine how would be cool if that "zone" was the one you started your character, and when you finished it you'd get a system message saying that you can replay the other 2 zones in the future New Game +.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

And yet people still claim that the story was good, rather than a narrative disaster.

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This is mostly because millenials don't know what a book or movie is, unless it's some high school robot waifu manga or Marvel Super Hero Movie #3884. Whenever they consume any other media outside of these 2 genres it's suddenly the best written literary masterpiece ever (ie. Squid Games)

Then there's also copium making them unable to accept that the thing they like might be flawed and accept it despite it's flaws. It's either perfect or WoW. No inbetweens.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

This is mostly because millenials don't know what a book or movie is, unless it's some high school robot waifu manga or Marvel Super Hero Movie #3884. Whenever they consume any other media outside of these 2 genres it's suddenly the best written literary masterpiece ever.

Then there's also copium making them unable to accept that the thing they like might be flawed and accept it despite it's flaws. It's either perfect or WoW. No inbetweens.

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The fact this is so accurate is both amazing and sad lol