Healer boycott in 5.0

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Really? Tell that to the machinist mains who begged for changes all throughout 4.0, or the white mage mains who have been salty about rdps utility for god knows how long... or Dark Knights who dealt with dark arts spam for 2 years and were salty about it, there are a hundred different examples of how being salty doesn't solve anything. But hey lets have a freak out rather than try to give them constructive ideas.

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This is why I said SCH and, belatedly, AST - specifically. Please read instead of freaking out.

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Really? Tell that to the machinist mains who begged for changes all throughout 4.0, or the white mage mains who have been salty about rdps utility for god knows how long... or Dark Knights who dealt with dark arts spam for 2 years and were salty about it, there are a hundred different examples of how being salty doesn't solve anything. But hey lets have a freak out rather than try to give them constructive ideas.

"REVERT CHANGES" - why? so astro and scholar can be top dogs again and we can listen to more whm's complain about how they are left behind and never get anything? So astro cards can be back to a coin flip 90 percent of the time with the other 4 cards being niche uses if the stars align for you to be in a good position with any given card? So we can refocus on Green DPS.. these were issues everyone had.. Does the healer DPS kit need some tweaks and add ons.. absolutely.. are cards stale if they are all the same and need some variety.. absolutely... does white mage deserve some rdps utility.. absolutely.. does reverting back to the old system solve any of these.. no.

So while everyone wants to scream and throw a tantrum that a three year old could come up with no real ideas are being brought up that change anything or fix anything.. just more "GO BACK TO HOW IT WAS!" well no.. how it was wasn't great at all.. how it's currently looking isn't exactly fantastic or even objectively better.. we can't really decide whether it's better because we don't know if content design has changed in any significant way. Sorry but I'd rather have a civil discussion to present to the dev team than a spaz driven freak out.

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Did WHM get utility finally!?! Where?

I don't think anyone was asking for the other classes to be destroyed. Only for things to be added to their class. SMH

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Did WHM get utility finally!?! Where?

I don't think anyone was asking for the other classes to be destroyed. Only for things to be added to their class. SMH

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Im not saying anyone asked for this im stating that instead of freaking out provide actual feedback and keep doing it without the doom and gloom.

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Im not saying anyone asked for this im stating that instead of freaking out provide actual feedback and keep doing it without the doom and gloom.

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If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to read it. Asking people to "calm down" almost never results in that happening. Continuing to lecture people for being emotional about something, will not lead to you getting what you want.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to read it. Asking people to "calm down" almost never results in that happening. Continuing to lecture people for being emotional about something, will not lead to you getting what you want.

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Im not trying to lecture anyone im trying to offer an alternative that could allow them to actually make some progress towards their goal. It is common sense and common decency as adults i think this is something to strive for. And as someone who would actually like healers to be in a good spot i will continue to try and steer this conversation into more productive efforts.

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Im not trying to lecture anyone im trying to offer an alternative that could allow them to actually make some progress towards their goal. It is common sense and common decency as adults i think this is something to strive for. And as someone who would actually like healers to be in a good spot i will continue to try and steer this conversation into more productive efforts.

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You'd have more luck after the fires have run their course. Also many like myself, have already decided that we do not like the changes and will not play a healer unless things are changed.

That's the most powerful feedback I can give the devs.

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Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Im not saying anyone asked for this im stating that instead of freaking out provide actual feedback and keep doing it without the doom and gloom.

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WHMs have been providing constructive feedback for *years*. Little has changed.
SCHs rightly bitched up a storm in Stormblood and got their fixes.

Being "constructive" means little.

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Originally Posted by dezzmont

I am not going to disagree a lot would need to change to make healing more resource based, but I do think you overstate the 'AFK healer' issue. Other action MMOs do a good job of making healers both DPS and heal while everyone is mostly dodging abilities and make healing feel non-trivial. This is not some unsolved design issue plauging more modern MMOs. In GW2 you can run out of healing and you don't 'go afk' when you top someone off. You don't even do that in WoW, I have played and mained healer in WoW for ages and the idea of a healer running out of mana and AFKing is sorta outrageous, for one running out of mana is unusual and indicates something else in the raid went wrong, and for another you have tools that do not use mana. It is fully possible to have a healing focused job with limited healing resources that does not ever go AFK. I mean Astro already kinda is that with bad mana tools and a lot of focus on oGCD healing.

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I've played a number of games where healer DPS tools were generally regarded as a waste of MP that could be spent on healing, either to improve survivability in the fight or to reduce downtime before the next fight, and thus we had a lot of AFK healers. True they could separate healing and DPS resources to make it resource-driven without encouraging AFK healers, but I don't see SE doing that. The reason why I brought those up is that every time healer DPS stuff gets brought up, there's always those healing purists who feel that healers should NEVER DPS, that they are a HEALER and HEALERS HEAL and that's what they are for and should focus 100% of their attention on, and if DPS options get nerfed they should never complain because they are a HEALER and are to HEAL and aren't there to DPS.

I was basically stating WHY healers focus on DPS in this game, and why it's tightly coiled around how the game functions as a whole.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

WHMs have been providing constructive feedback for *years*. Little has changed.
SCHs rightly bitched up a storm in Stormblood and got their fixes.

Being "constructive" means little.

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Exactly this. WHMs have told SE what we need ever since Heavensward at the latest - we never got it. Instead, the job actually lost much of what made it different (with some of that stuff being handed back to us with shiny new animations, at a higher level and weaker than before...). If you would mind to check it out, I'm providing constructive criticism as well as suggestions how to improve things for the WHM this time around again. I doubt it will ever be heard, but at least I try, right? For what little it's worth. That doesn't mean that I cannot and do not blow off steam as well, because jfc the 'new' skills we got are outrageous and defending them is a crime against anyone with half a brain.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

How could we give feedback on a job if we don't at least try it?
You sound like these kids who refuse to eat vegetables they never tried just based on how they look or what they think they will taste like.

I will play healer and I will share my feedback (hopefully constructive) to SE using the forum.

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Your analogy is good, but it's not 100% accurate. It's not so much as trying something new, it's trying something you were/are familiar with but in a new form. So it's not like trying a new vegetable like broccoli or corn, but trying it in a new form like steamed broccoli or creamed corn. It's technically still the same thing, just a bit different, and that difference is unfamiliar.