Jobs and Class, I am nervous now.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Take a group of thm and a group of cjn to Zahar'ak and use aoes. Use a parse and see which group does more damage.

All my posts recently are defending what we do know. Flare does DoT damage after being used, making sleepga useless.
An analogy was made to me so I made an analogy that made sense to me.

I am not arguing anymore about what Black Mage will do, cause alot of people are right I don't know yet. I am not saying it's the end of the world. i am only saying that this patch makes me nervous that the job I have been waiting for will not live up to what I would like it to be, which is the highest dps of the classes.

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There's also a few other possibilities that you haven't considered as well.

What if BLM gains more accuracy and MP instead of raw magic attack power? It's DPS would be higher without necessarily bigger numbers. What if the patch actually decreases THM magic power whie making BLM power the same as THM currently has?

For all we know, they could even have made Kobolds stronger. Not to mention what I've already said about videos.

That's why everyone here is saying to wait, at the very least for more information.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Take a group of thm and a group of cjn to Zahar'ak and use aoes. Use a parse and see which group does more damage.

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That's only because zaharak mobs are weak to earth and strong to fire lol.

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Originally Posted by Shiggysonson

That's only because zaharak mobs are weak to earth and strong to fire lol.

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Get... Out... OF MY HEAD!

Pretty sure fire gets blown out by wind. But like I said in my original post the only time White mage should out damage a black mage is against the undead. Absolutely nothing else. Which is why original I was made that the elements got split out, but I got over it because Cjn and Thm weren't in roles yet of healer or DD.

Now we are getting jobs for roles, and it looks like White mage could keep damage on any mob weak to stone or aero. And that is bullshit,

Black mage should atleast get all elementals spells with Ga level as well, because it's role is DD and nothing else. It brings absolutely nothing else! While if you look at some other jobs. War Tank or DD, Bard DD or support,
Monk tank or DD, Paladin can really only tank as well but atleast it gets classes that can share useful abilities. Unlike black mage with pug, besides second wind, every other ability is useless to black mage. Dragoon is also only DD, but melee in the long run can out damage black mage because of MP issues. It's supposed to be the highest combo damaging class.

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Originally Posted by Shiggysonson

That's only because zaharak mobs are weak to earth and strong to fire lol.

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I'm pretty sure that's his point. But one would think that BLM, supposedly THE magical damage dealer role, would be stronger in dealing magical damage than a WHM regardless of elemental affinity. However, the video this thread refers to depicts BLM doing the same kind of damage THMs do, so it stands to reason that WHM will do the same amount of damage as CNJ with their respective spells.

Now, if a WHM is able to outdamage a BLM in Zahar'ak, the question then becomes: Why bring a BLM to a Zahar'ak party? WHM will not only outdamage them but can also heal/raise.

This is largely conjecture but it is still a valid point/question based on what information we have been shown/given and should be answered.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I agree with you, but I also feel that the questions OP raises are valid based on what information they have provided thus far and should be answered.

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The patch comes out in 4 days. Four. Days.

They don't owe us a detailed breakdown of the job stats and some vague statement as to whether BLM will be better than THM when they can just give us the patch and let us play around.

okay so cnj can possibly do more damage in zaharak which clearly matters a whole lot. meanwhile show me a cnj doing 40 dps (or even 30 for that matter) on ifrit? 65+ dps on moogle?

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

The patch comes out in 4 days. Four. Days.

They don't owe us a detailed breakdown of the job stats and some vague statement as to whether BLM will be better than THM when they can just give us the patch and let us play around.

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You don't get to determine what is response worthy or not. If the community reps feel it is response worthy, they will provide one. If they don't, they don't.

The only thing i would ask from them is if we get as blm all the elemental spells, but i can wait :D

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I agree with you, but I also feel that the questions OP raises are valid based on what information they have provided thus far and should be answered.

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I won't entirely disagree there that based on the "so far," there would be a few questions. I'm thinking big picture and 2.0's success! To me, version 1.xx only needs to remain playable enough that it helps build 2.0 into a powerhouse. That includes this job system implementation, which I'm not too vocal on changes. Let SE do their thing, then we can critique and fix for 2.0