Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans

got new character but can't get any armor sense I can't use need

no Need button = new players can't get armor from dungeons

if the game don't have Need button = New Players or New character can't get armor from Dungeons

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Originally Posted by Penthea

If you expect people to gear up their classes by not playing them, it's you who has the problem. If you want tank gear, then I'd rather you gear up your tank enough so you can queue with it for a 24 man, and then use it to roll on tank gear. It's pretty simple.

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I just got my NIN to 70, and my ilvl wasn't high enough to enter lighthouse, its nice that I can gear it to the point where I can run lighthouse with it using lighthouse. Isn't that the point of off jobs?

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I just got my NIN to 70, and my ilvl wasn't high enough to enter lighthouse, its nice that I can gear it to the point where I can run lighthouse with it using lighthouse. Isn't that the point of off jobs?

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Could do that with need still there... I've done it...

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Could do that with need still there... I've done it...

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Could, but this makes it easier. The point of the change is to aid people gearing their off jobs, including those that aren't a high enough ilvl to enter lighthouse, on that note it succeeds. I understand why people don't like the change, but I have yet to see any actual statistical evidence that this change is bad or has had any negative impact. People aren't mass rolling on loot, and people aren't trolling because they would only be able to do that once due to the weekly limit, and people like me with lower ilvl off jobs can freely loot on the gear we need.

The real reason this change exists is due to the JP culture of running their main for 24man content, which I think would benefit the west as well. Less deaths during the raid = better experience farming the loot piece you need.

Another point... you don't need to greed ridorana loots to gear up for ridorana... creation gears would work just fine... or new dungeon gears... or buy some off mb... ridorana is 335 to enter... so the "I need them for my alt to run this content" excuse falls apart like a load of chocobo dung....

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

ok, let me give you a more clearly defined example. My bard is BiS (savage included) (meaning i cant get any better gear) my tank is not. Would you rather I bring my crappy geared tank or my BiS bard? your thought process on it (or lack of) is kind of disturbing. Especially in a game where everyone can be every job. This is why it's a catch 22(for me at least)

I want to gear all jobs that I enjoy playing. Take raiding for example, the people I play with know what jobs I want to gear and when the mains get theirs, we slide the extras to the people who play those jobs on the sidelines. Not sure if it will make sense to you at all but there is my attempt at explaining.

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I know what BiS is i've raided enough here.
I honeslty couldn't care less with which class you go into the 24 man raid, what i care about is that you will probably roll something away from the tank (as example) who is on his main job and needs the gear. Thats why greed only is just a big pile of BS.

You also can't compare your static with the df since in a static people talk and listen and know each other.

Good Job Lambdafish to point out japanese culture when even they dislike it...nailed...erm failed it.

If they are going to release the weekly lock on savage on 4.38 like they did with 4.18. Then it's clear they don't expect raiding ppl to really care abou 24 man gear.

Also with this new greed only rule if you did enter with i340 gears on your main and actually DO need the gear you have a much worse chance at actually getting those gears... essentially you're saying that your alts gear is more important than someone's mains gear...