Inventory issues still exist. Why keep adding gear to the game and not room? Glam log

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

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The Mog Station is the reason we might and this is a big might see KH3 and FFVII within our lifetimes. Last I checked, this game was carrying most of S-E's other projects. As for all the retainers borking the game servers, pretty sure they wouldn't blow millions on a data center in Cali if it couldn't handle the additional data load. Or at least I would certainly hope as much. As for the number of retainers overall, I couldn't find the number of retainers to players in game but I'd safely bet its at least 3 retainers to the character at this point. That said, I see no server borkings outside the vanilla 90k and 2002s here and there. As for the retainers being a shameless cash grab, lets just say I'm an active backer of Star Citizen if that tells you how much I care about that subject. Regardless, I hope the KH3 and FFVII teams don't repeat the half-finished sadness that is FFXV.

As for providing a limited service, there is a fine line between limited service and anti-consumerism. There is a reason I don't waste my money on the half finished garbage that the game industry as been fornicating over since console patches have been a thing (FFXV being the latest game I was stupid enough to get hyped over).

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Originally Posted by Khanscott

The Mog Station is the reason we might and this is a big might see KH3 and FFVII within our lifetimes. Last I checked, this game was carrying most of S-E's other projects.

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Do you actually have a source for this or is this just your own speculation.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

But... it doesn't? I don't know why people always parrot this nonsense because it's not much of an argument. Charging for a services is a common way to limit how many people use it, which is anexceedingly useful tactic when your service can only provide for so many customers at a time.

Fewer players with extra retainers directly translates to less data transfer, which is one source of server stress. Considering how the servers have performed in the past, it's not too much of a stretch to assume the servers would display more issues if everyone received another extra retainer right now. Charging for the retainers is an immediate guarantee that most of your customers won't have extra and is a good way to relieve stress until you can figure out how to improve performance without outright refusing extra space.

It's common practice used by many a business that provides a limited service, but nah. In this case it's clearly SE reaching for some kind of shameless cash grab. SE isn't perfect, but it's tiresome to watch people eschew common sense day in and day out just because they want to be upset about something.

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Not here, it is simply exploitation when you intentionally bloat inventory. ..
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Oh you are basically saying that, ya I agree.

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Originally Posted by Khanscott

The Mog Station is the reason we might and this is a big might see KH3 and FFVII within our lifetimes.

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Nope, just exploitation, all the prices are (cept maybe weddings, and that is a big maybe, since biggest one is 20 x 2 = 40, could be slightly cheaper, but they do give a free one so i am not sure how I feel about that yet.) They are high to attempt to take advantage of people. We give them tons of money though it, we deserve better servers that can process information better, not ones running on 1990's tech.

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Originally Posted by hellmach

Why would I mention it if it wasn't relevant? Now you're just being a jerk.

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You know, I had to calm down a bit to think of a way to give a more appropriate reply. First off you did not answer my WHEN you where an "omicrafter" because when you where changes things, and i figured out I could just reply to all the situations to show why SE needs to make great fixes to our item system.

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Originally Posted by hellmach

I was an omnicrafter in 3.x and never needed more then two retainers. I'd gather and craft everything myself. Also if you're going to make an argument about inventory the number of steps in a craft is irrelevant. You only need at most 5 finished ingredients, maybe 7 per craft and if you're turning in 2 or 5 finished products at a time you still don't need 8 retainers worth of materials if you manage right. If you're going to use my Lodestone against me don't leave an opening for counterattack, Princess.

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Originally Posted by hellmach

OP doesn't want to admit they're a hoarder. You're what statisticians call an outlier, an extreme case of somebody who buys 6 retainers and still needs a ton of space. Your extreme hoarding, as well as anyone else, isn't going to justify the cost of reorganizing the entire inventory system just because you can't manage your inventory. The only thing I can agree with is either implement a WoWesque transmog system or let us store Mogstation and special deal items in the Armoire which is really underutilized at the moment.

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So you start off basically agreeing what needs to be changed and what would fix my problem. The problem with saying "give us a glam log" is SE refuses saying server limitations. If they have server limitations this means one thing, REMOVE ITEMS.

Now lets go into why you do not have inventory problems being an "omicrafter" in HW. First off if you are talking about being a 3.4 omnicrafter, this means you need 3 characters, some chose to use 4, to keep crafting off their battle class character. I did not want to do either because doing that much MSQ is a headache. So basically another idea to throw out that will help inventory is to make the game alt friendly.

So 3 characters give you 6 retainers (smallest amount required to be an omicrafter) with a 150 slot bank since your alts should be in a private FC, every one I seen, even gatherbots, have their own FC. This allows you to trade items easier to your alts, I/E the alch specialist sending stat potions to the rest to craft. This means you have an effective 450 more slots then having 6 retainers, something that was better then having 8 (175+175 =350) So a true omicrafter with 3 characters without paying for retainers has more slots then a solo character paying for 8, you do not see this as unfair? Just because I cannot bare to repeat doing the MSQ 2 more times I have to pay exploitation money?

The second situation would be being a solo true omicrafter late in HW when they took the restrictions off. In this case it is still an invalid claim since stuff was not in demand at that point, and you would not know what it is like to craft those kind of crafts in high volume and that requires a lot of space. (I suspect you fit here, since the first situation tends to reflect a personality of someone to have all 70 in 5 days of SB 4.0)

People should not be calling me a hoarder when the game is poorly supports all the item bloat it gives you and people wonder why I question if people claiming they have no room troubles if they really have experience with the game, crafting or truly use the glam system? If you are going to insult someone, you better be prepared for a counter or simply expecting the person asking you why you are saying such things.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Charging for a services is a common way to limit how many people use it, which is an exceedingly useful tactic when your service can only provide for so many customers at a time.

Fewer players with extra retainers directly translates to less data transfer, which is one source of server stress.

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OK, now this is why I think you are misinformed. You say that retainer limit is because they can only provide for so many customers at a time. So you and I pay. Lets say that another million accounts pay (very generous). How many characters have been created and how many accounts do they brag about? That is way way over a million. So now you could say they don't keep that data. While SE kind of runs an MMO like a scrub. I do not believe they would move that data into storage or delete it with out an announcement. While this isn't exactly 11 they did warn about storing and deleting data for inactive accounts. When a few of us came back actually worked out to all our level 1 mules, but the few we had leveled past 20 they had kept even though we had been warned. So they have room for millions of non paying customers, but need to limit the data that paying customers have.

Next you mention data transfer. One of two things as it didn't come across or as I missed it. You think having extra retainers increases my data transfer. You can only interact with one retainer at a time so you would literally be using the same bandwidth if you had 1 or a million retainers. If you think that loading each retainer creates a large load (who knows this is SE), that is probably a quality of development question that would need to be addressed. Retainers are the perfect example of instanced housing. While they do require data storage. They only use data transfer one at a time and only when you are on.

Now do you see why some people believe it is a cash grab. Unless you have some sort of differing approach to the issue that would prove that SE has created an issue other games don't have.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Ideas such as glamour log, expanded armoire, expanded currency tab, and inventory overflow within instances are all good quality of life systems that would only benefit the playerbase as a whole. Belittling hoarders does not change that fact.

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Ignoring whatever tiff people are having with snowprincess (and vice-versa), I can't find a reason to argue with these suggestions. I doubt anyone could find a negative outcome to these changes without just sticking their heels and saying something along the lines of "We don't need to change everything. You're the problem, not the game.".

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

People should not be calling me a hoarder when the game is poorly supports all the item bloat it gives you and people wonder why I question if people claiming they have no room troubles if they really have experience with the game, crafting or truly use the glam system? If you are going to insult someone, you better be prepared for a counter or simply expecting the person asking you why you are saying such things.

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I love glamour and I craft and I have been managing with 2-3 retainers since launch.

I mean, sure, I am not against them adding more space of course, but if you really have filled 8 retainers and have no space left you are definitely an outlier. The average player does not need inventory + armory chest + all 8 retainers to play comfortably. You are simply an extreme case so they aren't likely going to cater to the very very tiny minority that has used all inventory and all available 8 retainers and still somehow has no room left.

The way you like to play just isn't supported by the game if you have filled all your inventory and 8 retainers and still need more space, but the problem is the average player is likely totally fine with 2-4 retainers so SE isn't likely going to add more.

Now, I think it would be a nice idea if they gave us the 3rd retainer for free by now...just to help out with inventory space, but I don't know if they would listen.

A glam log might come eventually so I wouldn't give up on it yet.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

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Clearly you've forgotten the likely massive chunk of server energy Shirogane is using up. 12 new wards including subdivisions, Apartment complexes(24 in total), and the new swimming areas added on. Lets not forget the inventory expansion which really is a large upgrade. Especially for the bag. 4.0 added what, 10? 15 slots each section? All that stuff is server stress.

And now the devs plan to add more stress to their servers by adding more housing wards past our current max of 12. So I doubt it's some devilish scheme SE is trying to pull off of "Unquestionable Almighty God Crafters" like you. It's simply the fact that there are so few of you

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

1-5 people like that per server.

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that they don't care about you :D and would rather use their servers for more important things like more Housing Wards.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Clearly you've forgotten the likely massive chunk of server energy Shirogane is using up. 12 new wards including subdivisions, Apartment complexes(24 in total), and the new swimming areas added on. Lets not forget the inventoryexpansion which really is a large upgrade. Especially for the bag. 4.0 added what, 10? 15 slots each section? All that stuff is server stress.

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I do not care for defending SE for a problem that went on for 3 expansions. Also it was not a "big update" it was a BARE MINIMUM added that should been added in HW to make room for the added jobs. With all the NEW items, gear and glam , we have LESS room then we had in HW and esp earlier during 2.0. The items they add keeps outpacing any change they do to attempt to add space.

Trying to change it or progress to changes gets slowed down by people such as yourself that want to put other people down because you think it is fine from not doing much in the game.

If their servers can't handle it, then stop adding items till they can (or remove unnecessary items like I explained to make room for new ones)

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Originally Posted by Miste

I love glamour and I craft and I have been managing with 2-3 retainers since launch.

I mean, sure, I am not against them adding more space of course, but if you really have filled 8 retainers and have no space left you are definitely an outlier. The average player does not need inventory + armory chest + all 8 retainers to play comfortably. You are simply an extreme case so they aren't likely going to cater to the very very tiny minority that has used all inventory and all available 8 retainers and still somehow has no room left.

The way you like to play just isn't supported by the game if you have filled all your inventory and 8 retainers and still need more space, but the problem is the average player is likely totally fine with 2-4 retainers so SE isn't likely going to add more.

Now, I think it would be a nice idea if they gave us the 3rd retainer for free by now...just to help out with inventory space, but I don't know if they would listen.

A glam log might come eventually so I wouldn't give up on it yet.

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The average player does no crafting and thinks 1 mil is a lot of gil. So SE should make the game hard to play for people that want to make full use of it? How does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

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So who's more important? The thousands of people who want houses or the

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

1-5 people per server.

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Also putting people down? The

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

1-5 people per server.

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? You think SE cares? They got bigger issues to spend their server power on. Like increasing housing and glamour logs. Housing first though because people demand that more. Funny, you talk about being "put down" when you've been putting down literally every single person who doesn't agree with you. Even omnicrafters and players of 5 years or more.