Getting Kicked as a Tank from Dungeons for Power Pulls! No more for me!

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

Oh, you're right. :eek:

I stand corrected, I assumed there was but I guess that's just for max level dungeons. I'll edit that part of my post. :)

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Yeah, I wouldn't pitch a fit if I got into a group with someone in i90 or lower so long as we could clear the run, whether that be through me adapting to the needs of the party(acting as a pseudo tank as SAM or NIN for instance when we got a tank that was far below me in gear) or something else. So long as we get it done, that's what matters.

NOW if they're being an active detriment, unable to keep people alive etc, then I'd be a tad miffed. Otherwise, I'd just stress the importance of getting better gear than go on my merry way.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

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I'm conflicted.

It's like, on the one hand I want to give you positive reinforcement for making your own comment about your own experiences...but on the other hand, this comment is so asinine.

Like, did you fail to see the part where OP acted like an entitled baby and held the party hostage? Sure, having i90 is lazy, but lazy =! asshole. According to Adire's post, the healer was "up to the task," they just had shitty gear.

...and yeah, you're right. Everyone must think tanks are totally useless. It's not like it's a requirement to have at least one in most content. Absolutely not one of the two jobs in super high demand at all times. What are you even on about?

After reading through this thread, I can see that OP's attitude is the reason for him being kicked. Granted, It would be a pain to go in a dunjin with a ilvl 90 healer, but my rule of thumb is, if my HP isn't 0, then everything is fine. I probably would suggest the healer to hit up some vendors afterwords afterwords atleast, just to make life easier him and everyone else in general.

I will give the OP two pieces of advice.
1. Change your attitude. Seriously, people would rather wait for a new Tank than to deal with with someone with a crappy attitude, especially if your being petty for small things.
2. Change your class. Take that with what you will, but unless you walked in someone elses shoes, IE healed big pulls, done positionals as a DPS, then you truly won't know how to properly play your class.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

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While I agree i90 is low and the tank had the right to complain, if the healer was doing his job I would be much more worried about that tank's bad attitude by holding the rest of the group hostage. If that healer pissed him so much he should have just left.

If I followed that point of view I should have kicked lots of tanks that joined my roulettes in the past just because I considered them undergeared and they would make my job as healer harder. Except for one case in which I remember it was really IMPOSSIBLE to keep up (tank had less hp than I had as SCH and I couldn't throw one Physick without having all mobs turn to kill me, the tank took the cue before we even said anything and abandoned the duty), most of the times we managed to finish the run and tanks were super cool with us telling they should get higher ilv.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

tank was in their right to complain. having i90 gear is pretty bad even at 50. "getting the job done" is and has been a lame excuse to give people a free pass. Tanks can be hard to play more so on the NA data center with all the selfish attitudes around. Tank is the one putting their hp pool up against 3-20 mobs at a time and need healers up to the task. The healer shoulda been kicked for their gear. imo you and the healer had the attitude, not the tank. Try thinking about others for change, b ut ppl think tanks are all but useless with some of the shi i've seen.

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I sided with the tank right up until he continuously whined about the healer's gear, and especially after waiting until the very last boss to make his threat. He knew precisely what he was doing and merely thought to waste the healer's time. If said person were purposefully trolling or being a twat, I happily encourage kicking them at that last second. This isn't such an example though. The healer likely didn't realize how much harder leveling dungeons get in the expansion. If it bothered said tank so much, either leave or kick them right away. Frankly, unless the healer was causing issues, I would rather tough out the run than wait for another healer.

As a healer, if the tank asks and I say yes for the power pull, and then turned out I can't handle it, or the tank can't handle it, or the DPS output of the party can't handle it, I say oops sorry, let's do smaller pull. No kicking the tank, because the tank DID ask first. Even if he fails or I fail, or something else fail, I honestly think that vote kick is unfair in this case.

I main a healer, I have all healers at 70...and I can't recall even one time I witnessed a tank getting removed just because he chain pulled.

Most of the time when I see a tank get kicked it's because they do something stupid like refuse to use their tank stance despite having very obvious aggro issues and having extremely spiky health...or some wiseguy in Brayflox with the novice hall gear. Sometimes these tanks were chain pulling, but they weren't removed for chain pulling, they were removed for making the instance a mess for everybody. Most dps and healers don't like when the tank's antics lead to everyone tanking.

OP if you're getting kicked often then you're doing something wrong. It's one thing to frequently encounter problematic players, it's another to drive people to kick you. Either your tanking needs work or your attitude does.

I always pull big and haven't got kicked so maybe you arnt managing CDs properly or not getting all the hate or something lol there is more to this story then we are getting....The only place I am not to keen on pulling big Is bardem

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

As a healer, if the tank asks and I say yes for the power pull, and then turned out I can't handle it, or the tank can't handle it, or the DPS output of the party can't handle it, I say oops sorry, let's do smaller pull. No kicking the tank, because the tank DID ask first.

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Thank you for being a really kind healer.
Even if I die, I apologies myself because I thought I could of handled it too.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Thank you for being a really kind healer.
Even if I die, I apologies myself because I thought I could of handled it too.

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Thanks. :D

Yes and sometimes I die, or I let the tank die (Benediction on the corpse, woo hoo!) and I said sorry. Most tanks are like "haha it's ok" or "do you want me to pull smaller or do we still want to give it another try?"

Alright, sometimes I run into a rude or a mean tank, and it leaves a bad taste. However, there's no reason to be angry or mean to everyone else. I like it very much when people try to communicate for party plan in the dungeon, it means they try and they want to cooperate. So, if we talk first, and if everyone is polite and kind, even if we fail, it's all good. And it leaves a happy memory.