Stupid reason to report someone

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

Whats next? People asking DPS-classes to just heal themself with Potions or pretty weak heal spells by cross-skills? lol

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Considering the sheer quantity of HQ Max Potions coming from PotD, and the fact that they can be used oGCD? YES. If you eat an AoE to push DPS, nom a Potion so we can ALL keep DPSing. It's just common courtesy. Or, in the case of BLM, just pop your wall/ward for whatever you plan to eat. Or, melee/BRD, Second Wind, Bloodbath if you have it, stay at full HP regardless.

These are all things GOOD players do. Which is why you never actually see it, or expect it, with the DF crowd. Your job, regardless of role, is to make each instance as painless and quick as possible for the other 3/7/23 players. To do otherwise is rude and selfish.

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Originally Posted by Isala

Considering the sheer quantity of HQ Max Potions coming from PotD, and the fact that they can be used oGCD? YES. If you eat an AoE to push DPS, nom a Potion so we can ALL keep DPSing. It's just common courtesy. Or, in the case of BLM, just pop your wall/ward for whatever you plan to eat. Or, melee/BRD, Second Wind, Bloodbath if you have it, stay at full HP regardless.

These are all things GOOD players do. Which is why you never actually see it, or expect it, with the DF crowd. Your job, regardless of role, is to make each instance as painless and quick as possible for the other 3/7/23 players. To do otherwise is rude and selfish.

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Respectfully I disagree. Personally I never carry or use potions, maybe ethers. But who is the high authority who decided our "job" is to get every instance over with as quickly as possible? The posters on these forums? Lol. I want to savor my runs. Not rush through them. I want to relax, not stress out that I may not be pushing out that extra 0.0000023% dps or making the healers job 0.00005% easier. (Numbers are sarcasm but you get my point.) These forums hardly represent the majority of players and most I run into in my average daily DF runs don't care if your Dps are using ethers/potions/ healers are dpsing. To your average player that just wants to run and have fun, relaxing playing the game, they dont care about this stuff. At least not enough to mention it in the chat (in my personal experience and from what I've heard from friends who also play the game).

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

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How can you savor the exact same run everyday ?
I mean at the begining ok, why not. After a certain amount of time in the patch, doing a 20+ min expert run is just a pain.

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Originally Posted by Sciwolf

No one calls out dps for not being good in a guildhest. This kind of shit either happens to healers or tanks. Duty finder is infested with absolute garbage dps who have no idea how to do their rotations and no one gives a damn. But a less than perfect healer or tank and omg everyone loses their shit.

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DPS rarely get called out on anything, mostly people jump on the healer more then anything.

I was doing Nidhogg when it was new and we could not pass the DPS check because a black mage was worthless. Instead of calling them out, and before I had a chance to speak up, it was just vote abandoned

Its really difficult to say if its okay to report someone or not if one only knows one part of the story but seeing how you react to other posts in this thread I am not so sure if you are truly a victim of a unjust report. ^^;

You know I wont call out a healer that only heals if they stay friendly and at least do this one part of the job good. But someone that overheals, is not able to heal fast enough or just stands around waiting way to long to heal..yeah I will say something. Especially if that player than goes around and say how they healed "raid x"..

About the discussion of dps not healing: Well I would love to help some bad healers with my skills but sadly they are totally bad..really before I can cast the healing spell for the second time the next attack of the boss probably killed of the one I was healing. I cant even keep my own pet alive with this. So sorry our healing spells cant be compared with your dps ones. Because you are able to stance dance and if you have a very good dps healer and a medicore dps with the same equipment..well the healer can out-dps them..So as long as your skills are that powerful you are kinda keeping the group behind if you only stand around and overheal or even dance..

Also if a DD should only dps..is it alright if I let the whole group wipe because I wont use my swiftcase to raise the death healer/tank/DD? I mean its the responsibility of the healer to keep everyone alive (to the unavoidable damage) so I should not do their job and raise someone right? And if a tank has a DC or is missing and we could clear the fight by using Titan..well I should not do it, because my job is to DPS and I cant do my best if I have Titan as a egi. ;)

A friend plays Paladin most of the time and he has stoneskin and protes as a cross class skill and he sees it as his duty to help out the healers with protes midfight since healers can concentrate on keeping the rest alive and at the same time the others get their protection back. He also heals too if the situation needs it and saved some fights that way...and those are mostly not his own skills..

All of this would not happen if we only stick to our "roles".

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Remember this? Afterwards, the game literally tells you to do DPS to be better at your role.

Don't know the full story since this is only on one person's perspective but....

When it comes to DPSing as a Healer to really depends on how fast the Tank's HP drops and how often the DPS get hit by attacks.

As annoying as having to cover for a Tank's lack of gear defense or proper defense buff management and a DPS just taking a bunch of unnecessary hits it is during these times when focusing on healing only is crucial to the survival of the group since a slight stop to Healing may end up killing the entire group. Believe me I've seen plenty of time in DF runs where a Tank would out aggro what he or she can handle and have their HP constantly drop below 50% HP in a matter of seconds thus forcing a constant need to focus on Healing only.

If the Tank and DPS HP are not dropping like a fly on its last day of life then DPSing is best considered because really not much you can do when your MP is constantly sitting above 80% and the Tank's HP hardly drop below 70% in 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

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Remember this? Afterwards, the game literally tells you to do DPS to be better at your role.

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I remember this part and as the Class quest mentions Healing and DPS must be considered based on the situation of the group. To ignore DPSing when Healing is no longer needed is blind ignorance but to focus too much on DPS when the group is constantly hitting near death is ignorance as well.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

It has a lot of questionable implications however.

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There were no implications in Kosmos' statement, though I can understand how interpretations may differ. More than anything, perform your primary role properly before trying to perform anything secondary. The point about tanks not needing to continue attacking after establishing aggro is invalid as we all know it's not enough to just establish, but maintain aggro. That is why some of their weaponskills generate enmity, and why damage itself contributes. For DPS support, content is designed in such a way that if say, your DRG never uses Battle Litany, you can still complete it. If it were required, then that content would require a DRG be in the party, always. Or perhaps in the absence of a BRD for Mage's Ballad, healers still have Shroud/Aetherflow/Luminiferous Aether if and when needed.

Semantics at best, I know. But fact remains healers don't HAVE to DPS. The community however has established it as above-basic level gameplay for healers, and good teamwork and etiquette besides. Still, performing your primary role PROPERLY comes first; if you can do that, or where said role is not applicable or needed (i.e. no one needs healing, or the enemy has no aggro table), then yes, deal damage. But healers - by the design and standard of content - do not HAVE to DPS.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

How can you savor the exact same run everyday ?
I mean at the begining ok, why not. After a certain amount of time in the patch, doing a 20+ min expert run is just a pain.

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Could be a playstyle thing. A 20 minute Expert Roulette sounds fine to me but it's been over a month since I've run that roulette. Even back when I did do it I wouldn't go more than a couple of times a week to avoid being burned out on the dungeons.

As for Healer dps it really seems like a bigger deal on the forums than in the game. In my time playing I've only had one group tell me not to dps while I was healing and in that case I had queued with the tank so we just assured the other players that we were a team and knew what we could handle.
I can't recall ever seeing a non dpsing healer insulted. The only one I remember bothering me was one that spent most of the pull jumping in a circle then complained that they were bored since I as the tank wasn't taking much damage.