Accuracy thread again!

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

Accuracy is fine when you can afford melding. I have many crafted 220 pieces, pentamelded many of them with ACC V / IV, and I still miss just as much as before in the ex dungeons. (for some reason, Antitower is the worst of them). I'd really love to know up to how much accuracy I'm supposed to reach to avoid missing that much, when I've already spent millions on melding.
Melding lore 220 /midas with just one or two Acc materias wouldn't cut it, even close.

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What is "That Much". What exactly is your miss rate. What exactly is your total accuracy melded? What is the exact difference in your hit rate between Antitower and Lost City? Your claims here would seem to imply something between +150 to +200 ACC over baseline depending what you by "many of them" - seriously, numbers?. If strapping on a ton of accuracy does literally nothing, what's the point of even asking for accuracy native on gear?

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

Accuracy is fine when you can afford melding. I have many crafted 220 pieces, pentamelded many of them with ACC V / IV, and I still miss just as much as before in the ex dungeons. (for some reason, Antitower is the worst of them). I'd really love to know up to how much accuracy I'm supposed to reach to avoid missing that much, when I've already spent millions on melding.
Melding lore 220 /midas with just one or two Acc materias wouldn't cut it, even close.

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According to your Lodestone, you currently have 444 accuracy on your WHM. If you're noticing a significant amount of misses, either you're eye balling too hard or something is wrong with the parser you're using. I say this because of the following comments from a different thread on the general OF:

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I maintain good DPS as a SCH in both new dungeons. I've slotted in 5 Tier V accuracy materia so far, and am at 414. I'm hitting over 99% of the time.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

He just said he has 520 accuracy on his scholar. That's more than enough to not miss in antitower.

Heck I'm at 462 and I don't miss in there either.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Energy Drain, Broil, aero, miasma, and the occasional ruin II to avoid an aoe say hello. (Miasma II if 3 or more targets as well) Sitting at 520ish and I haven't noticed a miss yet.

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I ask you check your data again just to be sure because what you speak is a contradiction to some of the comments listed above. My gut tells me the cap for EX dungeons is around the 450 mark.

444 indeed. My "miss" ratio is most often anywhere between 10-15% (before melding, I was closer to 15%++). And I do try to add damages as much as I can, which means, with an average team, I dps quite a lot. 15% is quite a lot.

Haven't saved any parses of these dungeons, but I'll check again next time I go. Hopefully by then, I'll be above the 450 acc bar and have the misses fixed.
Doesn't change the fact the heavy melding is requiered. I'm sitting on +90 acc melds at the moment (add an extra +9 for the cap?). That means a lot of gils necessary to reach the cap, considering the insane number of failed overmelds one can expect.

The problem is, if someone wants to meld stats that would help not only healing but also damage, like Det, Crit and SpS, they would be left with a large gap from Acc cap (I have 354 accuracy with no melds, and Jesus Christ, I miss a lot), making it near required to have acc melds.

SQEX need to decide about healer dps. Do they endorse healers to DPS? Then add an accuracy buff to Cleric Stance or bring back Accuracy on gear. Do they not endorse? Then remove CS from instanced duties. The way we are now, with a wishy-washy, fence straddling position about healer DPS and accuracy can't go on much longer: I really doubt that, even with a fully melded raid set of grade V accuracy materia, we will be able to achieve accuracy cap when the ilv reachs i260 or i270 (wich won't take long, probably 3.5 or sooner)

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I ask you check your data again just to be sure because what you speak is a contradiction to some of the comments listed above. My gut tells me the cap for EX dungeons is around the 450 mark.

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Yes. I stopped missing entirely in expert dungeons at around 460, so most likely somewhere between 451 and 460.

I'm never looking back btw. Being able to not waste GCDs when DPSing feels great, I just hope they fix our accuracy so we can have some more meaningful customization in the future. If they don't do anything and just expect us to keep melding accuracy it's going to be problematic in 3.4.

Im melding accuracy on some of my new gear while melding crit and det on others for my SCH. I dont really feel the need to go full acc on everything like some people here. I don't really miss that often and i feel either im just lucky with rng or other people are exaggerating due to the whole "you remember negative things easier/more than positive things" so when they see "miss" it sticks in their minds more than the fact that it didnt happen almost every other time

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Originally Posted by Zari

Im melding accuracy on some of my new gear while melding crit and det on others for my SCH. I dont really feel the need to go full acc on everything like some people here. I don't really miss that often and i feel either im just lucky with rng or other people are exaggerating due to the whole "you remember negative things easier/more than positive things" so when they see "miss" it sticks in their minds more than the fact that it didnt happen almost every other time

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I feel the same way. The miss rate at this time isn't something to be up in arms about at this time, but there should be concern for the future about how S-E will be tuning accuracy requirements.

Also a lot of players need to realize that you don't need full melded accuracy to hit the necessary accuracy caps in all content. I recommend three types of materia melding that suits one's playstyle

1) Don't bother with Accuracy melds. For healers that just heal. Meld CRIT, PIE, DET, and SpS in comfortable levels that augment your healing. You'll probably feel it later if you're going to try to DPS, but it's something to consider for the pure-healer types.

2) You want to DPS consistently in casual content (EX dungeons / Midas normal). You'll probably want to meld approximately half your slots with Accuracy. No need for penta melded 220s, so don't break your bank over that. Midas / Lore 230-240s with 50% accuracy materia should be more than sufficient for current casual content.

3) You want to DPS consistently in hardcore content (Savage Midas / EX Trials). You'll probably want to meld EVERYTHING with T5 Accuracy and eat some HQ food to boot. Supposedly caster cap for A8S is in the 600+ range which is completely doable with full T5 Accuracy melds in i230/240 gear and food. Remember you get a free T5 outta Void Ark each week.

I feel the reason S-E went this route for healer DPS is to give healer's the option to choose how they wish to play their healer. You want to DPS more? Meld some Accuracy and eat some food and let it rock! Want to heal more than naught? Focus your melds on healing augmenting melds.

It's not perfect but I kinda feel that was their goal with this patch.

In fact, this reasoning is disturbing. As many suggested, if SE really wanted to leave us a choice, why not add an ACC boost when switching to CS ? Whether you use it or not, it at least you can have it.

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

... if SE really wanted to leave us a choice...

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This is not creating choice. This is removing choice. You've put forward baking the accuracy solution into the baseline act of DPSing. Choice is when you are forced to have "not everything" between or more two mutually exclusive options. Sure you can't have Cleric stance on and off at the same time but everyone can have it and toggle it as appropriate within a given encounter, it's simply a part of moment to moment game play. Just to highlight this it's functionally equivalent to making all healer offensive abilities have natively higher hit, since you don't use them outside cleric stance anyway.

It's fine to dislike trade offs. It's fine dislike gearing complexity. It's fine to dislike having to make choices. It's good to have a sceptical eye towards tuning. It's dishonest to pretend that baking functionality into baseline abilities is the same as having choices about the functionality just because the ability is modal.

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Originally Posted by HPDelron

In current conditions healers have baseline damage output X, accuracy is a powerful way to increase that baseline. It also offers a trade off in that it does not also increase their primary role (healing).

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Yes, it does. SE seeing healer's DPS as a problem. We are required to use ACC materia in order to keep X damage flat. But we have to understand where this trade off is coming from. New dungeons are meant to be harder than previous one. If DPS gear in the next update will have 20 more ACC, that means, that's how much healers are going to lose their hit chance. It's basically an overall nerf to all healer DPS when it's already small. Healers primal job is to heal and DPS as secondly. But because our DPS is 2ndly, we do lower damage and spent extra MP, that's the concequences. Now we need to slot ACC in almost all gear just to be able to perform regular X damage like before.