Summoners Overpowered in PvP

25-0 and you guys weren't even close to winning the match though? Were you guys just farming kills?

Oh this topic again. Didn't this pop up like months earlier? People didn't want to encompass the fact of what made SMN ridiculously strong. A glass cannon behind an iron wall with no penalty.

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Weeee....Enjoy reading through 26 pages.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ion-to-pvp-dps

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

25-0 and you guys weren't even close to winning the match though? Were you guys just farming kills?

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It was a long game and lead changed towards the end, I think we were around 700 points before flames/mael gang banged us and the pug adders just dropped like flies

Was just a couple of us from our premade there

I've had higher than that but don't take screenshots, ls member the number 1 dps posted it in ls chat afterwards

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Originally Posted by Maxwell

Counter example:
http://i.imgur.com/K30Xdus.png
Top kills are mostly melees and myself on top as DRG.

Sounds like you guys play this thing solo >_>. There is a good level of meta game training/mastery that needs to be applied to survive as any class.

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Sounds like rating personal achievements, rare occurances, dominating gc, superior skill over average stastistics. Show stastistics sayin avg melee have better k/d or even dmg done/taken (since this effects how much healin and tankin is actually required/stressed) than casts. Its never news pro anything>scrub other thing talkin balance, but the averarage. I still think smn (easy, bursty, deadly, feverish, ranged actor) > melee. ON AVERAGE. Yes there are great meless and horrible casters, no doubt. Just look at how hard those smns rode dmg wise. They either positioned badly, had gc not playin along or heals slackin. U did awesome, yet they>you by + 100k dealt -60 taken, while havin an easy time. You were fevered likely, they werent? Lol. You felt thats the game you need to screenshot for a forum, adder smn thinks its just monday and they won. Most impressive is that adder smn, not you. You stole kills and received good heals. He rekkt shit while smokin bong.

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Originally Posted by TiaHeart

Just look at how hard those smns rode dmg wise. They either positioned badly, had gc not playin along or heals slackin. U did awesome, yet they>you by + 100k dealt -60 taken, while havin an easy time. You were fevered likely, they werent? Lol. You felt thats the game you need to screenshot for a forum, adder smn thinks its just monday and they won. Most impressive is that adder smn, not you. You stole kills and received good heals. He rekkt shit while smokin bong.

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To be fair, you're assumptions are just as baseless as that screenshot lol. You can't tell from the screenshot how many of that dragoons kills were kill steals. The summoner had over 257k dmg but that dmg is much more likely to be overinflated garbage numbers (from sitting there passing around dots on everyone while watching netflix) than the dragoon's 165k. That summoner's numbers are average at best, not impressive.

I dont care about K/d. Sometimes its screenshot worthy. Ultimately i care about my team winning regardless of my k/d. People are arguing that smns are op and melees are helpless. I provided one counter example. Thats it. Melees are not helpless against smns. SMNs can be worked around. They are not as bad as people say they are.

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Originally Posted by Maxwell

I dont care about K/d. Sometimes its screenshot worthy. Ultimately i care about my team winning regardless of my k/d. People are arguing that smns are op and melees are helpless. I provided one counter example. Thats it. Melees are not helpless against smns. SMNs can be worked around. They are not as bad as people say they are.

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Yeah, just wait for them to completely destroy some guys in 2 seconds...THEN go on the offensive against them. It's the parable of the lone gunman versus a mob: who wants to rush the lone gunman and be guaranteed to die for your fellows to have a better chance at getting the lone gunman (he's got what 6 shots? I should just wait and then go after a few braver guys take the bullets).

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Originally Posted by TiaHeart

Just look at how hard those smns rode dmg wise. They either positioned badly, had gc not playin along or heals slackin. U did awesome, yet they>you by + 100k dealt -60 taken, while havin an easy time. You were fevered likely, they werent? Lol. You felt thats the game you need to screenshot for a forum, adder smn thinks its just monday and they won. Most impressive is that adder smn, not you. You stole kills and received good heals. He rekkt shit while smokin bong.

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I'm surprised you tried to make up a whole story based on some numbers you saw on a screenshot. Did you think anyone would accept your assumptions from the get go?

I feel overpowered as a Summoner, but then I see a mob of players running me slap over.

Maybe I should have a copy and paste for this specific topic what a lot of people try to get across about SMN in PVP. People always want to assume OP = Invincible/Unstoppable. That's not the case of discussion if people actually took a minute to actually observe what the job is capable of doing versus other jobs.

Even I feel like Warrior gets a lot for what it can do, but at least the draw back for them is they have no mobility and stack restricted.