FC Chest just gets raded, and GMs can do nothing.

fix the permissions or tell your leader to, an issue? no its your guild leaders fault, not square enix's

While there is something to be said for being careful, protecting yourself, and not putting yourself in compromising positions, I do not agree with what many have said that this is the OP's fault. One of the things I hate about this world is that victims seem to get blamed more than the perpetrators. Stealing is stealing, regardless of whether the OP (or their FC leader) had a lapse in judgment. Nobody can be 100% on their guard 100% of the time.

I think I can relate to how you feel, OP. I, too, have had things stolen from me, in-game and IRL. I think it sucks, I wish we didn't live in the kind of world where people hurt each other, and I wish when someone did hurt us that others would refrain from deepening the hurt by blaming us.

I work in restorative justice and one of the things I've observed is that offenders tend not to understand the harm they are causing someone else; they don't connect with the victim or the society in which they live. When someone is made to understand the effect their actions have on others, it can be really transformative, but unfortunately this rarely happens.

I'm sorry this happened to you, OP, and I'm sorry the GMs have done nothing about it. Try to spread the word within your FC and the community in general, warning them about this sort of thing. Let others know about the perpetrator in particular (social sanctions can be a powerful behavior changer). Above all, don't listen to those who blame you for this. It is 100% the thief's fault. All you did is trust someone and I think it's nice to be generous to others (strangers or not). I use the word "generous" in a situation like this because you are assuming someone isn't a douchebag. I don't think there's anything wrong with that (99% of the time you'll probably be right). Just remember to watch out for that small percentage of people who are douchebags; they'll ruin things for decent people if given half a chance.

In my FC, I made a conscious choice to trust people, even knowing that some would probably steal from us. I let all members use the chest but I suggested that they be careful because all members had access. This worked really well for over a year, but as the FC grew more and more valuables ended up in the chest eventually we had someone steal from us. Even this did not deter me at first. Members were warned again to be careful. Some time went by. Then it happened again. Finally, I changed settings so new members couldn't access the chest. However, after even more time went by, I didn't like having to make the distinction between "new" and "veteran" members (and some veteran members proved to be no more trustworthy). So now the FC chest is just for my partner and I, although we will store and retrieve items for members if they wish. And as the saying goes: "This is why we cannot have nice things."

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

fix the permissions or tell your leader to, an issue? no its your guild leaders fault, not square enix's

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It's the thief's fault, actually. And even though SE is not to blame for the theft, they have the tools to restore the stolen items and punish the thief. A GM can check FC chest logs, see exactly what was taken, they can track down the person who did it, and investigate some things to confirm the OP's story (like the join date/time of that member, when they accessed the chest, and when they left). They could also ask questions of the involved parties.

Now I'm not saying that this is feasible for SE considering the number of players who play and the amount of complaints that must come in about all sorts of things. However, stealing is a form of griefing and the player who stole will probably do it again. Therefore, SE should think about the consequences of NOT investigating incidents like this; the play experience of many people could be adversely affected by the person who stole. I will say that my GM interactions have been more positive than the OP's and I DO think GMs usually do what they can.

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Originally Posted by Darra

I like how pretty much no-one is showing support for the OP. I also can't wait for you all to invite a "friend"/"acquaintance" or even a plumber over to your house/flat/apartment and then they steal shit from you. Then we can all say "should have tied everything down and not let them have access to all the rooms in your abode" and "you only have yourself to blame".

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If you let a plumber do his job while the house is empty, you are truly, incomprehensibly an idiot and you really are asking for it. Stop playing the victim and take some responsibility.

SE has already done something about it from the beginning. They gave the FC leader the power to decide who has access and who has not.

And sure, a trusted member may very well be the one who takes from your FC. But hey, that's part of the game. That's how the game works. The game allows you to lock everyone out or allow everyone access or give a few access. If you can't trust people because of this, then maybe this portion of the game just isn't for you. But again, that's simply how the game works.

Its the thief's fault, but Square Enix has given your FC the tools to prevent these type of things. I am not blaming you, but the FC leader should have known that these type of things do happen alot in mmorpg. That is why FC leaders only give their officers and some trustworthy players the ability to access the FC chest. Morally what this player did was wrong, but nobody told him to not take stuff inside, you guys even gave him permission to take whatever he/she wants from the chest.

I hope you get your stuff back and I hope your FC leader learns something from this experience.

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You cannot sit there and say the FC leader had absolutely nothing to do with this. SE gave the FC leader the tools to lock people out for a reason. It was in the FC leaders rights to give everyone access to everything if he wanted. I think this has been said before, but the chest is considered a shared free company resource. He had every right to do it. Now none of us who were on the other side of the fence said if this was morally correct or not.

Also as someone else pointed out, you cannot expect to hold square responsible for this because, what if their FC leader was involved in this? We don't know if another member was involved in this. You go to square with one story and they get another story from the thief.. who are they supposed to believe? Again, as I said before square should not play a role in this at all. They could end up punishing the wrong person.

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This is a confusing topic. :confused:

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I'd have to agree. It's very interesting seeing the wide variety of opinions on this topic.

In conclusion, it was a lesson learned for those that should have known better, and the member and chest options have been reset to my specifications. The looter really didn't make off with much that wasn't bound to the FC, or sells that well at all (about 30 deep colored crystals, so no big loss). Funny thing is, instead of taking any of the glamour prisms, or any of the materials that he could have sold, he takes the kidragora. Perhaps he ran out of inventory space, since he was on a new character. I suppose we'll never know. Life goes on.

Oh and thanks to everyone for the feedback. :)

I look forward to future eve online style power plays.

This is one of those times that you learn about trust and how no one deserves it. Take this lesson to heart, don't give invite privileges to FC members who aren't trustworthy and keep your vault locked from new players.