Machinist needs serious attention

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Originally Posted by Velhart

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I've heard the same thing about the DPS checks with more than 1 BRD or MCH. People just can't meet them. I'd like to hear if other people are experiencing this, because maybe it's just a bad party setup, but I feel like with all the number crunching... it's b/c MCH and BRD were dealt an incredibly unfair and weak hand.

There didn't seem to be anything wrong with, "Split Shot" and if anything it was the most annoying skill I've ever heard, anyone spam over and over and over...

Doesn't t anyone know you only really need to tag monsters in FATES and then kill one by one, then tag more...

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

I've heard the same thing about the DPS checks with more than 1 BRD or MCH. People just can't meet them. I'd like to hear if other people are experiencing this, because maybe it's just a bad party setup, but I feel like with all the number crunching... it's b/c MCH and BRD were dealt an incredibly unfair and weak hand.

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Last boss, Aery.

Two bards. Granted, I think both were pretty poor players, but considering the fails on the group(not killing Price so we'd lose one of them, adds not dying fast enough so we'd get hit by the enrage) and the fact that I've done that same fight with other dps that were just as bad of players(one bard wasn't using dots, the other sat in MW the ENTIRE RUN) and still killed it...

Yeah.

And once I got past 50, my runs have had fewer and fewer MCH in them. Which is sad. That was the job I was hoping to level next. I don't like what they did to my bard.

According to the ACT website, they recently fixed the parser to properly reflect Machinist damage which is putting them on par with Bards. This job has a high skill cap which maybe leading to the plague of low damaging Machinists.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Last boss, Aery.

Two bards. Granted, I think both were pretty poor players, but considering the fails on the group(not killing Price so we'd lose one of them, adds not dying fast enough so we'd get hit by the enrage) and the fact that I've done that same fight with other dps that were just as bad of players(one bard wasn't using dots, the other sat in MW the ENTIRE RUN) and still killed it...

Yeah.

And once I got past 50, my runs have had fewer and fewer MCH in them. Which is sad. That was the job I was hoping to level next. I don't like what they did to my bard.

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we did all the HW dungeons (60 included!) with me and a war as dps :rolleyes: , and trust me when i say that war was doing more dmg than me after getting new skills ,fell cleave :o

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Originally Posted by SayuriHime

This job has a high skill cap

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This is what it amounts to. People haven't learned to effectively utilize the class yet. On average as a MCH, I'm doing as much in runs as other classes, (killing adds just as quickly, keeping equal amount of HATE on bosses, ect), even if the "raw numbers" of each hit aren't in my favor. Earlier when I was testing out a new skill, (Gauss Round), as well as some other damage within my rotation, I came across a Bard who was also damage testing on some striking dummies. They were two levels below me, but had better gear, (full Augmented Ironworks and Dreadwyrm compared to my i125 stuff I bought from shops and hadn't yet upgraded to the lvl 54 gear), and at first I thought they were putting out more damage than me. Then I realized they had WM on, while my Gauss Barrel was off. Once I threw my barrel back on, I was easily matching or passing them in terms of raw numbers on each hit, even before getting into my combos and using reload. My point is, that with the equivalent skills used, the raw numbers of the basic attacks is very similar. The MCH with low numbers in actual runs are likely people who haven't figured out their rotations properly, or who don't know when to switch from single targets to AoEs, or when to turn Gauss Barrel on or off.....

I vary which actions I use based on the situation, and as I said both here and earlier in this thread, I have no trouble keeping up with other players DPSing, even non-bards. In fact, the only person I've seen who really gave me a run for my money was actually a Bard, and was easily one of the best bards I've seen. Saying "this class sucks because the raw numbers aren't as good" is rather pointless, as in the end, all the raw numbers in the world won't save you if you're bad at your job, and all the hindrances in the world won't stop you if you're good at it. It's just people blaming the numbers when they actually have to work to do good damage, and actually have to try something other than a "use this exact combo in all situations" in order to keep up.....

I love the class but one thing that stands out for me that was said here is: TOO MUCH EFFORT FOR TOO LOW RESULTS. SE, we need the same treatment WAR received.

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Originally Posted by SayuriHime

According to the ACT website, they recently fixed the parser to properly reflect Machinist damage which is putting them on par with Bards. This job has a high skill cap which maybe leading to the plague of low damaging Machinists.

Source: http://www.eq2flames.com/plugin-disc...plugin-75.html

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I found a reddit post that was made 9hrs ago. The damage is on par with BRD, but they're both parsing below tanks atm from what people are recording. Very well, the skill cap could be holding players back on both jobs. I still think both MCHs and BRDs need some sort of buff. We'll see how this progresses within the coming weeks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_dps_testing/

Thanks for the responses on MCH and BRDs in parties. I'd love to hear more feedback from players who play with MCHs and BRDs in expansion. If you've played with one, positive or negative, please post on your experience. MCHs and BRDs can post for days, but inevitably it's the 3 or 7 other people playing with you that's going to decide if they want you in the party or not.

What about you, would you invite MCH or BRD? If so, why? If not, why not? What have you experienced from these jobs that make you feel that way?

Also, posters have been commenting, "I've wanted to level this class but now I don't b/c..." I've mostly seen that the class is boring or not viable for endgame for reasons to not play. If your'e interested in MCH why do you want to level MCH? Why don't you?

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

The damage is on par with BRD, but they're both parsing below tanks atm from what people are recording.

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This part is extremely important. "Hitting as hard as bards" is NOT a good thing in their current state. Both jobs should be hitting as hard as BLM when using WM/GB at a minimum, if not slightly harder (because seriously, have you TRIED to play Bard with WM up? It's a bloody nightmare!).

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

This part is extremely important. "Hitting as hard as bards" is NOT a good thing in their current state. Both jobs should be hitting as hard as BLM when using WM/GB at a minimum, if not slightly harder (because seriously, have you TRIED to play Bard with WM up? It's a bloody nightmare!).

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Yeah, I completely agree. The whole point of WM / GB is to do MORE damage. It's the EXACT OPPOSITE right now, we're doing less damage. Like, what? Lol