No More Classes?

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

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You'd end up being mostly the same as people would find a "what works best" and demand you use that "what works best." or they will get rid of you. Having jobs makes this entire process of knowing what works best easier.

Marauder is already one, for now. Healing on a DPS class doesn't work in this game and you need to do a lot to make Gladiator into a DPS, it's why it's forced to spam flash early on if you don't have other DPS skills, such as B4B, or raging strikes to increase it's attack.

You already have that option rather you use it and find it "fun" is a different story.

The thing is, the job abilities are just WAAYY more effective than whatever cross-class abilities you can equip, since Jobs are specifically tailored to content, while CC's usually are missing the combo abilities or traits that make them useful in the first place.

Square could begin buffing cross class abilities, or providing Cross-specific traits to them. But as it stands, yeah Jobs are dead unless you're an Arcanist.


A cool idea down the line would be to add more jobs through quest-chain only. For example, you could unlock the Red Mage soulstone by doing a large quest chain, similar to the first relic quest chain. Then just continue doing quests like that to obtain their skills. Then it wouldn't matter if you were level 50-60 or not when you started.

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Originally Posted by Cariborne

Ah, does it stack with Virus though since it's a bigger decrease, or is it more there for if you don't have a SCH or SMN? I'm kind of sad he didn't tell me about the Int Decrease when I told him to go kick something for me.

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Yes, it stacks with Virus and with Storm's Path. The tool-tip says -10% INT if you read it.

They will probably keep it the way it is and introduce new jobs from here on out. This is the most sensible way to deal with this.

As for the utilization of classes at end game every single class is objectively worse than their job counterpart and this will be exaggerated to a large degree after the expansion releases when they have given people new job abilities making them even better than they are now.

Aside from lore and basic cross class skills the classes are useless. There will be no new cross class skills and all skills will be attributed to job crystals.

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Originally Posted by Seku

You'd end up being mostly the same as people would find a "what works best" and demand you use that "what works best." or they will get rid of you. Having jobs makes this entire process of knowing what works best easier.

Marauder is already one, for now. Healing on a DPS class doesn't work in this game and you need to do a lot to make Gladiator into a DPS, it's why it's forced to spam flash early on if you don't have other DPS skills, such as B4B, or raging strikes to increase it's attack.

You already have that option rather you use it and find it "fun" is a different story.

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Well, that is my sentiment somehow. Why is there only one way to play each class? That being go get the job and max out your primary numbers. For DRG it's always STR, DTR, CRIT, then practice and memorize your best rotation. Granted, that's how you play the game but...

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Well, that is my sentiment somehow. Why is there only one way to play each class? That being go get the job and max out your primary numbers. For DRG it's always STR, DTR, CRIT, then practice and memorize your best rotation. Granted, that's how you play the game but...

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(Seven hells where is the edit button in the site's android version?)

But... sadly we are being funneled into a cookie cutter build for each job. In terms of finding "what works best", that has always been the case even now with jobs and gear ilvl and it's not going away. However, if your crazy build somehow manages to be on par with respective jobs (or even a different role), then why should we discourage the freedom to do such build? That way we could move variety in our playerbase playstyles. We could perhaps see an evasive tank as a pugilist or rogue, or maybe a swashbuckling damage dealing swordsman, or a pseudo geomancer of a conjurer.

There is no edit button on mobile.

I exclusively use mobile(can't use forms and game at the same time). It's annoying.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

(Seven hells where is the edit button in the site's android version?)

But... sadly we are being funneled into a cookie cutter build for each job. In terms of finding "what works best", that has always been the case even now with jobs and gear ilvl and it's not going away. However, if your crazy build somehow manages to be on par with respective jobs (or even a different role), then why should we discourage the freedom to do such build? That way we could move variety in our playerbase playstyles. We could perhaps see an evasive tank as a pugilist or rogue, or maybe a swashbuckling damage dealing swordsman, or a pseudo geomancer of a conjurer.

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To your first post, Optimization.

To your second, you'd still be funneled into a cookie cutter build for each job due to the above. Unless you solo, which you already have this.

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Originally Posted by Seku

To your first post, Optimization.

To your second, you'd still be funneled into a cookie cutter build for each job due to the above. Unless you solo, which you already have this.

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I guess there is no escaping the funnel. Well, at least can I plead they make the funnel a bit bigger? Give more versatility to the classes so they're not totally useless end game. At present jobs are the *only* way to play each respective class. I really do not mind that if I am going duty finder stuff (you don't know who you're partying with so... I guess respect by going cookie?), but somehow I hope I can be free to go for any build while out in the open world, doing fates, and partying with friends who know and accept your deviant setup.

Well, now the patch notes say that only jobs can use LB, so there's another way classes are getting displaced. Doesn't seem we'll gat any more base classes.