Should we be limited to only one craft class?

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Originally Posted by DNO

Where did i say that? if you would read you would see that ClashBlades says you only made money for HQ items. i was just saying thats how it was in FF11 also with only 1 class you can rank up. I know there were people who made money but the real big money was high level crafting i mean are you really gonna debate that? FF11 mostly everyone was broke and most got money from HNMS not crafting

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I did say that hq'ing items is where the money is. I did not say that having a high level crafter was needed. I can hop on a r25 goldsmith and hq brass nuggets and make a couple mil on a stack.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

WOOOOOSH right over your head. My post about the CON was in regards to you QQing about limits. If you can't do something that another BSM can, too bad. You made the decision and now you have to live with it. Guess what, you can do something that he can't. WOOHOO! It isn't limiting. It is called decision making. Life is all about decisions. MMOs should be as well. Hey guess what, in Infamous, if you go evil, you don't get the energy regen from your lightning bolt...gah...so limiting...

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Yes but if you would listen for one second you would realize not point was better for this convo. . All i am saying is crafts did not have a limit before. (keep up) now if they put in a limit or a mastery you are now locked out of all other classes. which means you have a LIMIT to what classes you can craft.

You said if its just a mastery thing then you choose one class. but if you have the other classes leveled they will be LIMITED (keep up) compared to other classes. what is so hard to get. If i choose to main BSM and i also have GLD on rank 50 then my GLD is limted compared to someone who main GLD. So i will have to seek a GLD rank 50 for his "mastery" when i already have a rank 50 GLD???? thats silly thats a LIMT

WOOSH right over YOUR head because im not asking to use swords on a CON. I am asking to use mastery on CON THM and MRD if i rank them to 50

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Originally Posted by DNO

Where did i say that? if you would read you would see that ClashBlades says you only made money for HQ items. i was just saying thats how it was in FF11 also with only 1 class you can rank up. I know there were people who made money but the real big money was high level crafting i mean are you really gonna debate that? FF11 mostly everyone was broke and most got money from HNMS not crafting

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your statement contains false information as you don't know exactly what "most" people did. I was moderately broke because I would spend all of my money on random crap that I didn't need. I didn't make money from HNMs. I made my gil from fishing and crafting and I never once lost gil from doing either one. It was all profit. The "big" money was in HQ crafting, yes, at times, but you still didn't have to be level 100 in a craft to make comparable gil. For instance, back when I played, a Jupiter staff was 200k and the mats for it were around 100k to buy them all. If he didn't HQ any of them, he would be out around 50k a synth (Thunder staff was around 50k at this time). Now if he crafted 3, only 1 was HQ, that means he broke even. This isn't good money at all. Fishing? Pure profit. I spend 5k for a lure, walk home with 117k worth of fish...at level 18. At level 90, I use that same lure that I had been using for months and walk home with 217k worth of fish. For cooking, insect paste cost me..what...100gil to make? 1-2k a stack? Pure profit. Shihei? Farmed most of my materials so they only cost me around 500gil to make...and what..6k a stack? Profit. IMO, it was the high level crafters that were the dumb ones. They pumped out gear after gear and sure, you would occasionally pull in a HQ that would net you 6mil, but you also have to account for the gil that you lost while making nothing but NQs...and really, there isn't much profit there.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

not to burst your bubble or anything as you have made some good points earlier, but DoW and DoM CAN affect the economy directly...last time I checked, Uraeus skin and Dodore wings weren't crafted items >.>

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Not quite the same thing. I can see your point but that's a limited market as opposed to Gear R1-50, parts for other DoH recipes R1-50, and the vast amount of mats DoL can supply.

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Originally Posted by ClashBlades

I did say that hq'ing items is where the money is. I did not say that having a high level crafter was needed. I can hop on a r25 goldsmith and hq brass nuggets and make a couple mil on a stack.

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o trust me i agree but if you can make money in a game where everyone can craft this over supply thing is a little far from the truth correct?

1) you dont need to have a high craft to earn money
having a high craft only gives you more options
having more then 1 high craft gives you even more options

2) being told you cant make something because you dont have that specific mastery will not limit what we can make money off of, if anything itl enhance what is worth what. since you have to willfuly choose that mastery and you cant have them all, and neither can anyone else.

3) it probly wont limit anything we can make now, if anything itl limit what we can make in the future, specificaly special items i bet that will require some sort of mastery

in the end, yes, i have 6 crafts at 50, will this affect me? oh hell yes it will. but guess what, i will live. and i will choose which mastery will best suit what i wanna do. and i will be happy with the ability to make that choice as it will put more diversity between the players who do play like i do and rank everything up

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Originally Posted by ClashBlades

DoW/DoM's are going to have masteries. It comes in the form of jobs. We are more capable of specific roles as opposed to having a little bit of everything. This is mastery. As for you having 7 alts, you are more than entitled to that.

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Except from my understanding you can acquire every job in the game, no restrictions. Crafting classes are classes too and as such should not be restricted.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

your statement contains false information as you don't know exactly what "most" people did. I was moderately broke because I would spend all of my money on random crap that I didn't need. I didn't make money from HNMs. I made my gil from fishing and crafting and I never once lost gil from doing either one. It was all profit. The "big" money was in HQ crafting, yes, at times, but you still didn't have to be level 100 in a craft to make comparable gil. For instance, back when I played, a Jupiter staff was 200k and the mats for it were around 100k to buy them all. If he didn't HQ any of them, he would be out around 50k a synth (Thunder staff was around 50k at this time). Now if he crafted 3, only 1 was HQ, that means he broke even. This isn't good money at all. Fishing? Pure profit. I spend 5k for a lure, walk home with 117k worth of fish...at level 18. At level 90, I use that same lure that I had been using for months and walk home with 217k worth of fish. For cooking, insect paste cost me..what...100gil to make? 1-2k a stack? Pure profit. Shihei? Farmed most of my materials so they only cost me around 500gil to make...and what..6k a stack? Profit. IMO, it was the high level crafters that were the dumb ones. They pumped out gear after gear and sure, you would occasionally pull in a HQ that would net you 6mil, but you also have to account for the gil that you lost while making nothing but NQs...and really, there isn't much profit there.

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You are not most. Again as i said. most people did not craft in ff11 most gil was made from drops. big gil anyway little gil was made from farming stuff and what not

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

1) you dont need to have a high craft to earn money
having a high craft only gives you more options
having more then 1 high craft gives you even more options

2) being told you cant make something because you dont have that specific mastery will not limit what we can make money off of, if anything itl enhance what is worth what. since you have to willfuly choose that mastery and you cant have them all, and neither can anyone else.

3) it probly wont limit anything we can make now, if anything itl limit what we can make in the future, specificaly special items i bet that will require some sort of mastery

in the end, yes, i have 6 crafts at 50, will this affect me? oh hell yes it will. but guess what, i will live. and i will choose which mastery will best suit what i wanna do. and i will be happy with the ability to make that choice as it will put more diversity between the players who do play like i do and rank everything up

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If you can't make everything how is that not a limit on what you can sell/make money off of? how does that make any sense.

IF im a GLD rank 50 and i can not make everything a Rank 50 GLD can make how is that GLD not limited??

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Originally Posted by DNO

You are not most. Again as i said. most people did not craft in ff11 most gil was made from drops. big gil anyway little gil was made from farming stuff and what not

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again you have no indication that this is true. You didn't take a survey and you have no data to present, therefore, your statement is not true.