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07-01-2014, 06:00 AM
TeganLaron

You have to laugh at how badly OP is losing to just keep resorting to "well...I don't even consider it a raid anyway!" Good for you sweetie, but pretty much everyone else here does.
07-01-2014, 06:09 AM
Morningstar1337

Should I go ahead and quote OP on FSTDT or do I have wait until he brings religion/bigotry into it?
07-01-2014, 06:19 AM
Roth_Trailfinder

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

You have to laugh at how badly OP is losing to just keep resorting to "well...I don't even consider it a raid anyway!" Good for you sweetie, but pretty much everyone else here does.

Short of SE's current erroneous (and they even admitted prior to FF14 ARR's release that Coil was not a raid, if I could only find where they said it) claim that coil is a raid, there is nothing about it that makes it a raid.

It is hard, sure. It is hard group content. I've no problem with that. Some content is meant to be easy solo, some is meant to be difficult solo, some is meant to be easy group, some is meant to be hard group.

But without a second group in there with your group, it cannot legitimately be considered a raid. Thus, FF14:ARR needs more than just CT for raid content.
07-01-2014, 06:25 AM
Ransu

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Party SIZE does not make a raid.

Multiple parties is what defines a raid. Two parties, 3 parties, or go EQ and have 12 six person groups for 72 people in all, with instances limited to 54 people.

It does not matter if the party is 5 people, 8 people, 6 people, whatever. One party content is group content.

The same bit of content cannot be both group and raid at the same time. They are mutually exclusive. You can have a raid version of an event (raid content) and a one-group version of the same event (group content) but one group content is not raid content.

I see all sorts of people saying "Coil is raid, SE said so!" as the sole reason why Coil, a one-group and therefore group and not raid piece of content, is raid content.

It does not matter that WoW dropped the number of parties in their raids. They are still more-than-one-party events. In FF14, a full party is eight people. Therefore, to be a raid, more than one group of 8 must be involved, else it is group content, not raid content.

Who the hell cares? End game is end game. Doesn't matter wth its called. You are WAY too fixated on such silly semantics.
07-01-2014, 06:25 AM
TeganLaron

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

they even admitted prior to FF14 ARR's release that Coil was not a raid, if I could only find where they said it

Yeah, don't it suck when you can't find your imaginary links when you need them most!

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

But without a second group in there with your group, it cannot legitimately be considered a raid. Thus, FF14:ARR needs more than just CT for raid content.

It's their game, not yours. Just because in whatever other games you play this wouldn't be called a raid, in this one it is. If they wanted to move Sastasha to the raid section then that would become a raid too whether you liked it or not. It's the same as how people who insist they are called DD are wrong, they are DPS. Maybe every other game calls you DD, but this one doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Who the hell cares? End game is end game. Doesn't matter wth its called. You are WAY too fixated on such silly semantics.

Exactly.
07-01-2014, 06:35 AM
SDaemon

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Short of SE's current erroneous (and they even admitted prior to FF14 ARR's release that Coil was not a raid, if I could only find where they said it) claim that coil is a raid, there is nothing about it that makes it a raid.

It is hard, sure. It is hard group content. I've no problem with that. Some content is meant to be easy solo, some is meant to be difficult solo, some is meant to be easy group, some is meant to be hard group.

But without a second group in there with your group, it cannot legitimately be considered a raid. Thus, FF14:ARR needs more than just CT for raid content.

Still going at it with your view of what makes a raid vs what a raid in this game actually is huh. I'm starting to feel both sorry for your ignorance and impressed with your persistence.
07-01-2014, 06:36 AM
Roth_Trailfinder

Eh, it sucks when I can't find a page almost a year old. If it were imaginary, I'd know exactly where I dreamt it up!

As for saying I'm stuck on semantics, words have meaning. Raid means more than one group.

Solo content = content done by an individual.
Group content = content done by one group.
Raid content = content done by more than one group.

That's the way MMO's are.

FF14:ARR has plenty of solo content, and plenty of group content. What it lacks is raid content.
07-01-2014, 06:38 AM
Bizniztyme

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Eh, it sucks when I can't find a page almost a year old. If it were imaginary, I'd know exactly where I dreamt it up!

As for saying I'm stuck on semantics, words have meaning. Raid means more than one group.

Solo content = content done by an individual.
Group content = content done by one group.
Raid content = content done by more than one group.

That's the way MMO's are.

FF14:ARR has plenty of solo content, and plenty of group content. What it lacks is raid content.

I RAID my fridge everyday when i'm hungry all by myself. :)
07-01-2014, 06:41 AM
TeganLaron

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

I RAID my fridge everyday when i'm hungry all by myself. :)

No you don't you liar!!! OMG! You and MULTIPLE GROUPS need to be raiding that fridge for it to be a raid! Jeez!

It's ok OP, I got him for you.
07-01-2014, 06:43 AM
Vallug

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