Death Penalty

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Originally Posted by Symon17

Except you don't get raise until rank 38 DoM. Not everyone has that. Him not taking that into account does not indicate either of those things. You really shouldn't jump to such extreme conclusions.

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These are not extreme conclusions. r38 is less than halfway to cap. It's common knowledge for anyone that's played for a bit or taken the time to look the info up. The reason I bring this up, is because endgame is where a death penalty is needed most. If you fail to manage hate properly, fail to heal properly, etc, you should be penalized for poor play. The loss of that member at full strength for a period of time also hurts the group, which gives them more incentive for "skillful play." With the addition of time being a factor in rewards as well, this will become even more important, as it should.

I could concede eliminating the weakness factor outside of timed events. I'd still strongly disagree with it, as it would allow players to zombie open world NMs when more difficult ones are added. Eliminating it for timed events would be detrimental to skillful play given the upcoming changes.

I'm not calling him stupid for his idea. I was calling him out on his double standards and circular logic.

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Originally Posted by Frisque

And if you die right at the Aetheryte? (it happens, especially in leves) By your theory someone can get right the hell back up and just keep fighting. That's what people are referring to when they talk about "zombie-zerging".

Would you be OK if Square still slowed down your skills and then charged you money to return to the Aetheryte after you die? I'm only asking because this is from that link you posted regarding GW2:

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In context, the link to GW2 was specifically pointing to a view outside of mine about DP. Thats about it. The person I was replying to was implying that my view is extreme minority while you have a developer that is trying to get rid of death penalty.

And the quote you referring mentions or specifically states that the player has been down several times. I have indicated before that I am for alternative methods to death penalty that would give a greater sense of danger without taking the player out of the game.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I'm all for a real death penalty. As a veteran XI player I can't say I loved it all the time, though. lol Sometimes I was close to bite into my keyboard. Good times~ lol
But XIV as it is now is

a) way too easy

b) offers almost no incentive to play thoughtfully.

While I'm not quite sure I'd like to see de-lvling return, I'd love to see something along the lines of gear damage upon death or a EXP loss without a level down above my head. Basically anything that stops a player from trying a certain boss like ten times in a row within say five minutes.

Random note:
Demon's Souls/ Dark Souls FTW! (The last boss was so unbelievably easy lol)

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No wai! now i dont wanna play Demon's Souls again...

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Originally Posted by geniusprime

I have indicated before that I am for alternative methods to death penalty that would give a greater sense of danger without taking the player out of the game.

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So, you'd be up for, say, corpse runs, xp loss, and durability loss?

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Originally Posted by Airlea

These are not extreme conclusions. r38 is less than halfway to cap. It's common knowledge for anyone that's played for a bit or taken the time to look the info up.

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The cap is 80?

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Originally Posted by Symon17

An elitist mentality is a dangerous thing to have, my friend. While you have valid points in your argument, you go on to say that people who don't play the game the way YOU feel it should be played have to find other games? People may actually enjoy this game for different reasons than you do. And I know quite a few who choose to play solo simply so they don't have to deal with others controlling how they play the game. We live in a world full of people with different ideals. That reflects in MMOs, and it's time we accepted it.

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I apologize Symon if you took offense to my posting to geniusprime maybe you guys are "Prime" pals, but I'd also appreciate it if you wouldn't call me an elitist. Because I don't think I'm better then anyone else, however I don't like the promoting of bad play. And if you don't think the current system promotes bad play then your mistaken big time. I'm also not telling others how to play the game, but I can say that if the game was structured properly this kind've behavior wouldn't be happening.

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Originally Posted by Symon17

The cap is 80?

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40-50 takes as much SP as 1-39.

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Originally Posted by Symon17

The cap is 80?

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So delicious.

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Originally Posted by Galoot

I apologize Symon if you took offense to my posting to geniusprime maybe you guys are "Prime" pals, but I'd also appreciate it if you wouldn't call me an elitist. Because I don't think I'm better then anyone else, however I don't like the promoting of bad play. And if you don't think the current system promotes bad play then your mistaken big time. I'm also not telling others how to play the game, but I can say that if the game was structured properly this kind've behavior wouldn't be happening.

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and a severe death penalty promotes cowardly play. i am not saying this penalty is severe or even needs to be changed, but since our sp is capped on mobs 10 ranks above you the fights against the goblin and basilisk would cease. if there is no reward and penalties become too severe people will go back to being safe instead of taking risks.

i like to challenge myself against the toughest mob i can with the group i play with most times. if the penalties towards trying tough mobs became too tough that would stop and i would do the mobs that is the top of my sp cap and nothing above it unless they had rewards i felt outweighed the risk.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

So, you'd be up for, say, corpse runs, xp loss, and durability loss?

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Durability possibly but the others are just dumb (not you off course).