This is bad, and I also feel guilty, no, if she got banned for something like that I also should be punished in that Way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallistra
That makes no sense that I can still visit the Forums, and comparing to the Posts, mine definitely was more Aggressive and rather a rant, so I do not see the Logic being applied here....
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08-01-2016, 08:37 PMMwynn
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08-01-2016, 09:17 PMMalicewolfI seriously don't understand how that lead to her being banned =\Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallistra
Nothing in that post seemed to merit a ban, even if some of the language was more colorful. Very sad to hear. Hope you guys work things out -
08-01-2016, 09:39 PMAlistaireAlso being banned from here is not the end of the world. Some even take it as an accomplishment since so many get banned wrongfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicewolf
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08-01-2016, 09:46 PMKallistraDon't feel guilty. D: She's definitely an emotional woman so when she gets mad, she gets mad. The language in her original post was pretty bad, so we both felt she deserved the suspension over that. I think the person reviewing the post might have thought she was attacking you and missed the overall point of her message, because it wasn't a bad one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
Without all the bad words in there the point was the same as she stated in the edited version; report people who harass you. Play the way you want to and don't force others to play your way, if you do you're a mean person. If you think you can do better, then do it yourself.
Maybe the party in the post reported her for attacking them? Twelve only knows. I think she's going to try more tickets, but I don't have much hope at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicewolf
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08-01-2016, 10:00 PMMwynnThe only thing I knew is those three belong together in an FC (Square Enix makes Stalking through the Lodestone possible...) so ya, one of them probably was the baddie and the other two FC Members just tagged along, can't blame it since that's the mentality most People have Ingame. Going against the FC Leader or a well known Person in the FC and you're out of the Window, which seemed to be the case in that Run. Those are but only assumptions I have currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallistra
Forum Moderation being not directly involved into the Gaming Scene (That being FFXIV Ingame) is a common thing in most other MMORPG's, if Selli really wants to get rid of that well... I call it a unfair "Ban", asking on higher Instance, that being the FFXIV Team directly or one of the Staff that works in the Office.
This is like the Job I once had in Real Life, I had a Problem and the Guy right below the higher People did nothing and did also refuse to do anything, I went to higher ground and talked about it and they didn't knew things like in my case happened at all.
I feel guilty, so much that I reported my own Post and wrote a little harmless rant about it. Nevermind that, if I get banned for that well, I let you know. -
08-01-2016, 10:29 PMLohen
Cleared seph ex for the first time using duty finder yesterday.
It was a first time clear for 6/8 people in the party.
Felt good. -
08-02-2016, 01:36 AMalythiasThis makes me sad. I did not know Selli, but as a healer who is still learning, I looked to her posts as mini guides and inspiration. I hope she is allowed to come back. Warm wishes! ;cQuote:
Originally Posted by Kallistra
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08-02-2016, 01:52 AMbounddreamer
I'm so sorry to hear Selli was banned, I always enjoyed her posts and input. It seems like the OF takes a really overly strict view and we lose a lot of valuable contributors to the community over stuff that should get a slap on the wrist. Please give Selli our best and we'll miss her very much in this and other threads!
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08-02-2016, 08:28 AMNicolepwned
#GetSelliBack2016
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08-02-2016, 10:38 AMRLofOBFL
Selli got perma banned from one colorful post reply to anonymous d***s?
Yet what about all the helpful & kind things she said & actually not being super negative about every aspect of this game?
That is a complete s*** decision & something needs to be done about it. -
08-02-2016, 10:57 AMFinaSel
Had a very interesting "Ultima's Bane" run yesterday.
It was my first time. Of course, I prepared by learning the strategy.
After a very long queue (12 hours), and help from 3 FC members, we got in.
We queued for "Japanese", because 3 FC members don't understand any English.
Fight begins interestingly. Bard pulls Ultima immediately. My FC tank saves Bard.
He gets 3 stacks debuff and other tank (DRK) does not switch. My FC tells him to switch (in Japanese).
Tank still does not switch. 4 stacks. Tank says again in Japanese "Please switch at 3 or 4 stacks. If it reaches 5, it's instant death."
Tank still does not switch.
MT dies. DRK finally picks up aggro. Many DPS are dying. Bard who pulled Ultima has died 3 times during the first fight.
No one shares damage on orb phase. We wipe.
Try again. I checked Party List. Yup, DRK only understands English. No Japanese. But queued for Japanese party. Okay. I will explain in English.
I explain to the DRK about switching before 5 stacks.
No response. Okay. We try again.
The same thing happens. Except this time we get a little farther because I Stoneskinned myself and ate one of the orbs (survived with about 46 HP). We passed first orb phase, but some DPS died.
MT dies again and DRK does not switch. I raise MT, but we die on 2nd orb phase.
Try again. Now MT is using auto-translate function and I am explaining in English to the DRK to switch. Still...no response. No switching. I explain in English and Japanese that orb damage must be shared. Some people made an effort.
Again, Bard pulls Ultima as soon as barrier is down and we tell him "Calm down".
But we died on final orb phase.
One more try. Same thing. No switching. But this time, fewer DPS die because we master orb phase. I can focus on raising MT healing the DRK, and Stoneskinning people before orb phase.
Raised MT twice because DRK refused to switch aggro.
We finally won after the very very tough battle. -
08-02-2016, 04:31 PMJoe_Schmoe
Fourth time not quite getting there as a rogue in Deep Dungeon, wiping twice on floors 18-19 and twice more on floors 28 and 29. I JUST WANT TO GET TO LEVEL 30 - ONE STINKING LEVEL - SO I CAN FIND OUT HOW THE NINJA JOB WORKS! :mad:
Looks like I'll have to normal leve my way to 30. *sigh* -
08-02-2016, 05:36 PMSaitoHikari
Wow, I didn't even realize Selli was ever banned. Jesus. I remember that post and her reply to it and I don't even remember anything that leaps out at me as breaking the rules in any way.
I learned a while back that this forum has a certain reputation. A few months ago, my own FC leader that people here might know as Ashkendor got into a scuffle with someone on these forums that took 'JAPANESE SERVER MASTER RACE' a bit too far, to the point of basically outright saying all English players were bad in a really racist way. She got permabanned for calling that person out.Quote:
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08-02-2016, 06:58 PMMeiUshu
PoTD
Case 1
3 healers 1BRD
Everything went down at hyper speed we finished the last floor with 30mn left and we skipped very very few rooms; everybody was kind of top of DPS....
Case 2
2 healers, 1 tank, 1 NIN
WHM said he didnt want to use holy becauses uses too much mana, so stood still waiting for one f us taking damages..things went down fast enough and said WHM had very little work if any at all.
case 3
2 healers, 1 WAR 1 BRD
I call that run the holy run...everything was holied...we finished with 20mn left no death no complains nothing.
2 healers 2 NIN
Asked WHM to use holy to ease a bit the run not sure why was kind of slow..said he mained BRD, asked to try after that he became the pro holy caster..
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08-02-2016, 07:03 PMSilkaNI've only been here for a week or two and I can agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
This forum has the ultimate blend of idiocy: entitled, pretentious whiners and some really special snowflakes, with a few decent people in between (we need more of these).
I can already foresee my very own ban in the future, given that I have already offended people with sarcasm and reasonable opinions.
Well, let's see what the future brings. -
08-02-2016, 07:42 PMMysteryswordIsn't this basically the internet as a whole, though?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkaN
I used to leave quite a few reviews on various stories, on Fanfiction.net. I set high standards for what I consider to be good reading, and when I review, I always do my best to include constructive criticism, as well as discussing points about the writing that I liked or disliked.
Well, one day I left reviews on a couple of stories that, in my opinion, weren't all that well-written. The characters were terribly boring, overpowered cardboard cutouts, the prose sounded like something that I would've written at the age of 10, and the plots were about as fascinating as that of Tetris.
Still, I did my best to explain how to improve on their writing, pointing out what I disliked and why it didn't work for me. I never called either of those authors names or cussed at them.
Somehow, this pissed off a fanboy, who subsequently went around anonymously reviewing other peoples' stories, people who had never even heard of me and whom I had never heard of, ranting about how I was disrespectful and insulting to two of "the best stories on this site". I only even heard about him because one of the authors whose story he spammed then went on to contact me, saying how they read my reviews and actually agreed with what I'd wrote. Funny part is that one of those authors I'd supposedly insulted also PMed me, and we had a long, civil discussion on writing. At no point did he ever tell me that he felt insulted by me.
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08-02-2016, 08:59 PMTaranTatsuuchiActually, unless you queue into PotD as the job, you don't get the job skills when you get to those levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_Schmoe
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08-02-2016, 10:04 PMJoe_SchmoeI should've been more specific I guess lol. I meant once I hit 30, I was going to do all the required quests, become a ninja, then go back to Deep Dungeon and try it out. Oh, level 30 achieved, by the way. Got a group that had 2 tanks and a monk that were all between +25-+30 that knew what they were doing. So, I'll be heading back in there. :]Quote:
Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi
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08-03-2016, 03:13 AMAnaviAnaelThat really sucks. :( I'd been wondering where Ashkendor had been. I figured she got tired of the same old BS and left. I'm sorry to hear this, she was always a great voice of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
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08-03-2016, 03:57 AMZigabarI hope you don't mind me adding this hashtag to my signature. Her ban was unjustified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicolepwned
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08-03-2016, 04:36 AMbounddreamerIf it wasn't the wrong data center I'd swear you were talking about a run I had last night. Me on WAR, a WHM, SCH, and BRD. Total God mode. Fast, smooth, no deaths, really ideal run.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeiUshu
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08-03-2016, 06:11 AMSaitoHikariYeah. I'd campaign for Ashkendor's ban to be removed as well (considering I took a look around and now KNOW the person responsible is still posting on these forums), but it's useless, she's already decided she doesn't want to come back. She's now off to Reddit-land, it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnaviAnael
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08-03-2016, 06:13 AMKallistra
Sorry for the lack of replies. I'm not much of a forum goer so I didn't expect this many responses, it's a bit overwhelming but also really nice to know that so many of you enjoy her presence.
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I think this is a really kind gesture. I will also be adding this to my signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zigabar
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It has come to my attention that people are harassing Mwynn in-game for Selli's permaban. That is unacceptable behavior. Shame on those who are doing this. It is not Mwynn's fault that Selli got banned, what Selli said is Selli's fault. I was in no way trying to blame Mwynn for what happened. If this behavior continues I will not be posting on Selli's behalf anymore nor will I be posting anymore either.
The fact that Selli's post was perceived wrong or as too harsh is between her and the forum mods and is in no way Mwynn's fault. If you have an issue with what happened, take it up with SE's support center rather than trying to make an innocent person miserable.
I am truly sorry Mwynn. I simply wanted to allow Selli to say a sort of "final goodbye", I suppose and neither of us expected an outcome like this and I am sorry people are trying to make you a casualty as a result. -
08-03-2016, 06:30 AMBourne_Endeavor
Every forum I have both been on and moderated has a means where an offending person is warned at least once, then potentially suspended before a further action is taken. Jumping straight to a ban seems wholly unfair. I think the mod team he should adopt a similar approach to avoid situations like what happened with Selli or mine own a little bit ago.
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08-03-2016, 06:31 AMAtoli
Both Ashkendor and Selli are part of the people that defined this forum for me :(
I was locked out of the forums for a few weeks lately too (different reason) so I haven't noticed Selli missing yet, but now that I know... T_T
I always felt that she was very understanding, even when she got mad at something. Also, always loved any and all pictures she posted!
Can't say enough how I hope they lift said ban. Even if the language was bad, the meaning behind it wasn't, so while bad language is not allowed and should get punished, a perma-ban for one of the most valuable members of the board doesn't seem warranted at all. Valuable as in, valuable for SE too btw, as an active, fun, creative forum is something they profit from as well; not just in terms of feedback but in how it looks to new players. -
08-03-2016, 06:36 AMBourne_EndeavorSo that's why I haven't seen Ashkendor around. See, another reason these bans are handed out far too swiftly. Instead of a warning or any sort of dialogue, you're just kicked out. I really do not know why the mods taken on such a totalitarian approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
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08-03-2016, 06:50 AMSaitoHikariWell, I'd understand why they do the things they do, but these particular circumstances have us baffled. In Ashkendor's case, the true offender is still walking free. In Selli's case, she and the person she responded to weren't even attacking anyone on the forums, just airing out general grievances about their experiences in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
The funny thing is Ash and I (along with two others in our FC) are all forum mods that migrated from another MMO, and while we have our own set of flaws (we posted FREQUENTLY and people called us biased as a result, and admittedly there was some truth in that in the long term, though lots of it had FAR more to do with people wanting to hassle us on a personal level BECAUSE of our mod status), we'd never hand out bans unless it was a total last resort - of which by then it'd be very, VERY clear to everyone watching what the ban was actually for. The toxicity level where we came from was even to a point where people would make alternate accounts and use proxies to circumvent IP bans just to mess with us even more.
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08-03-2016, 09:17 AMsarahnight
i feel almost ready to give up this game... i have been trying for 4 nights straight to clear Final Steps of Faith, and every night in the Duty Finder its been the same sorry tale.. Login, maybe lose a few dps to the phase 1, get them back up for the three mobs and don't clear them fast enough... wipe. I think i've seen the phase after that all of one time in all the tries i've done so far starting last Friday. By the third wipe, usually people start yelling, either at heals or dps. Tonight, i got called sh*tty healer in French, them thinking i guess i didn't know what "merde" means. This trial is destroying my will to heal.
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08-03-2016, 09:27 AMSilkaNTry party finder. I had to deal with the same duty finder madness until I gave up. Party finder saved my day as we were able to clear the trial instantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarahnight
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08-03-2016, 03:16 PMbounddreamer
No one was blaming anyone. You're bringing someone else's name into the matter and I'd edit it out if I were you.
Many of us are saying a permanent ban is too harsh a penalty for so small an infraction. A warning, sure. A temporary suspension, maybe. A permanent bans is very extreme and is like swatting a fly with an axe. -
08-03-2016, 03:37 PMMeiUshu
I dont belive either a decision as such has been taken by one person it comes kind of silly to me
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08-03-2016, 03:41 PMRLofOBFL
I just think the bajillions of good kind helpful posts should outweigh a perma ban from one outburst to people who deserved it :x, temporary suspension sure but banned?
ANYWAY this thread is getting WAY off topic
So I had this party that um...was actually pretty good. I was surprised. The end. -
08-03-2016, 04:14 PMFinaSel
Went into Minstrel's Ballad: Thordan's Reign for the first time. As always, I prepared by watching a YouTube guide on the fight. Twice.
I explained it was my first time there. As I always do when it is my first time.
Everything is going very smoothly. Until the part where he stuns the healer. The video I watched said "Healer should stand behind Thordan and the raid should line up with the healer to soak up the damage."
So that's what I did.
I get stunned, but notice others don't move toward me. So I know I will die and we wipe. I apologize.
Before I have the chance to ask "Where should I stand?"
One of the players, using auto-translate function, begins getting offensive. "[Healer]!" "[What are you doing?]!?" and maybe 1 or two other things they said I don't remember.
Nothing constructive, anyway.
Don't they understand this is my first time here? I said so. Usually people are forgiving for ONE death.
Everyone else was kind, forgave me, and explained I should stand at 11:00 position. Not 6:00.
Check party list. Oh, they don't speak the language they registered for. The language everyone else in the party speaks.
Okay, well I forgive them then.
So we do it a 2nd time. Everything goes very well.
At the end, some of the other members apologized to me, and told me not to worry about the person who has a bad attitude, because there are sometimes people like that.
I'm really happy they supported me during my first run. -
08-03-2016, 07:28 PMVidu
So, I just had an experience in PvP that legit is making me sad. I've got a problem with some effects in the game, like the famous holy (I play with effects turned off for anyone but me and dont play WHM for this reason, even turned my effects off while getting it up to 60) but also the flapping wings of the ahriman-mount (and ofc now the palace of the dead head-mount too...). I dont know why or what excatly it is thats making me sick, I suppose its the frequency of the wings flapping, but it doesnt matter that much after all tbh.
I queue for Shatter and two people in my party are already using this mount, so I turn my camera, try to see as little of them as possible etc. Thats a bit... semi-optimal when you're the healer though, so I ask nicely in partychat if they could use another mount, explain my problem and hope for the best... only to be greeted with the worst: Two other people responding to that with "Now I'll use the mount specifically for that" - and they do... great, whats wrong with people?! I knew it was a long shot to ask someone not to use a specific mount for my sake but switching to that mount because you know it will make another person legit sick?!
Since I've got better things to do than healing those type of people and lay in bed for 2-3 hours after that for my head to calm down again, I left without saying another word, hoping that no one in that party will switch to healer to make them lose their game... -
08-03-2016, 09:29 PMTaranTatsuuchiThat's probably reportable for harassment.Quote:
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08-03-2016, 11:27 PMMysteryswordThis is the kind of people who enjoy PvP. They get off on making other people miserable, so if they can't make the other team miserable, they'll turn on their own teammates. I spent years on an open-world PvP game, this kind of behaviour is extremely common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidu
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08-03-2016, 11:30 PMFynlar
I put this in a more POTD-oriented thread already, but since this technically was a Duty Finder run I feel it's worth repeating here too. I don't think I'll ever forget this *very* ill-fated POTD run.
>queue in to 41-50
>sees 3 DPS / 1 healer party, thinking "good, what a relief this will be after all of the 4 DPS nailbiter parties I've been getting"
>spawn next to a silver chest... BOOM, of course
>then four wandering manticores all enter the starting room at roughly the same time from different directions, and proceed to beat the healer down, quickly followed by the rest of us, in mere seconds. DUTY FAILED
The run lasted less than a minute and obviously zero progress was made, so I can't even be angry at this sort of thing. I was just staring at the screen gape-jawed for a while. -
08-03-2016, 11:50 PMViduYeah, I figured that much - I used to do quite a bit of PvP (when I had more free time) and always enjoyed that content. But with the small pool of people we've got here chance I will run into (excatly) those idiots again are kinda high - and that means for me: no PvP, at least not for a while. Which is so stupid! We've got people complaining about how there arent enough people for PvP etc. etc. and then some are doing there best to make PvP as unpleasent as possible for their own teammates -.-Quote:
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08-04-2016, 01:02 AMEbonwings
PotD floor 41-50 last night. I went in as DRK and became floor tanking. XD Party consisted of MNK,BRD, ARC. Dps was fast but the amount of bomb traps and of course our old friends, roaming mobs appeared a lot so I died tanking them XD. We only got 1 silver chest.... And the rest of 5 silver chests were bomb! Not to mention every time a DPS opened the chest right after we kill mobs in the room, I died XD this run was the true definition of floor tanking !
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08-04-2016, 04:52 AMMalicewolfHow else do you swat flies down? ._. Those suckers gotta know who's boss!Quote:
Originally Posted by bounddreamer
Tis a shame good posters are being banned... especially when so many toxic ones are still around. I always enjoyed reading Selli and Ashkendor's posts. Hope both find their way back soon.
While hundreds of good posts don't offset one bad one, I hardly call her's a bad one... But I come from a forum where I've had to deal with angry people who even went so far as to change IP address's and create new accounts just to post insults... Soooo maybe my tolerance bar is just too high...
I'm all for #GetSelliBack2016