VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

what I mean is that they are static across all emotes. Since we won't have hats, what would it cost to add a little "life" to them, just like in the miqo'tes?

their biggest mistake was adding the floppy ears. Clearly it would be a lot easier to get the ears through the helmets if it weren't for those damn floppy ears, which I barely see used on my server.

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Do rabbit ears even move around that much in real life? Admittedly, I don't know much about them, even though I did have a little bunny when I was little.

I mean, I wouldn't be against it if they had made them move around a tiny bit in emotes, but I just don't see this as an actual issue. I'm sorry. I suppose if they add future emotes, people could make the request to have some new more expressive emotes for viera. I will say, I do still have a little bit of hope for viera in regards to hairstyles - I'm washing my hands of hrothgar though. Although, I think the ship has sailed in terms of them getting racial unique hair at anytime in the future. Viera players will just have to hope the shared hairstyles occasionally look good, I guess.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Do rabbit ears even move around that much in real life? Admittedly, I don't know much about them, even though I did have a little bunny when I was little.

I mean, I wouldn't be against it if they had made them move around a tiny bit in emotes, but I just don't see this as an actual issue. I'm sorry. I suppose if they add future emotes, people could make the request to have some new more expressive emotes for viera. I will say, I do still have a little bit of hope for viera in regards to hairstyles - I'm washing my hands of hrothgar though. Although, I think the ship has sailed in terms of them getting racial unique hair at anytime in the future. Viera players will just have to hope the shared hairstyles occasionally look good, I guess.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8u...channel=edepot

As prey, rabbits' ears aren't just for cute. They have a function for them to know where the danger is coming from, and they do have movable ears, to be able to locate where noises around them come from.
You can tell if a rabbit is scared, relaxed, angry, just by looking at the placement of its ears.

https://binkybunny.com/wp-content/up...r_language.jpg

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Do rabbit ears even move around that much in real life? Admittedly, I don't know much about them, even though I did have a little bunny when I was little.

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They move their ears in the same manner that a lot of other animals do, usually indicating what they're feeling. So basically, they move around a lot.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8u...channel=edepot

As prey, rabbits' ears aren't just for cute. They have a function for them to know where the danger is coming from, and they do have movable ears, to be able to locate where noises around them come from.
You can tell if a rabbit is scared, relaxed, angry, just by looking at the placement of its ears.

https://binkybunny.com/wp-content/up...r_language.jpg

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I suppose you are right then, they could have made it more expressive like miqo'te. It could have made for more 'cute' emotes, no doubt. Like I said, I think the best way to go about this would be to request for new emotes to be more expressive - probably do it on multiple platforms though, like Twitter.

I meant to edit in my other post about the floppy ears. While, they would be a big cause of clipping, they definitely aren't it, as other ear styles - especially resized - would have some clipping issues. Still, I don't really believe the "clipping" excuse, as au ra horns can clip pretty horribly. The difference with au ra, is that they set a precedent already that they are a race that gets hats. Yoshida outright said that viera doesn't, and I don't know if he'd ever budge on that prospect, unless they overhaul how they do races; streamline the process. Even if they had a universal ear type, maybe Yoshida still wouldn't budge on adding headgear.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Still, I don't really believe the "clipping" excuse, as au ra horns can clip pretty horribly. The difference with au ra, is that they set a precedent already that they are a race that gets hats. Yoshida outright said that viera doesn't, and I don't know if he'd ever budge on that prospect, unless they overhaul how they do races; streamline the process. Even if they had a universal ear type, maybe Yoshida still wouldn't budge on adding headgear.

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Yes, I know they said there would never be hats. But they also said that we would get new and exclusive hair, as well as exclusive features in character creation.

Well, I don't know where the exclusive character creation features are, and to be honest, after 3 years of release, we only received old hair, which they also said we wouldn't receive.

Since the exclusivity promise was not kept, then why keep the restrictions? SE's excuses fall apart, from the moment I see several helmets being adapted by players. And amazingly Amon's hat, which would be a big problem, has already been made, and doesn't clip on any of the ears.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

Yes, I know they said there would never be hats. But they also said that we would get new and exclusive hair, as well as exclusive features in character creation.

Well, I don't know where the exclusive character creation features are, and to be honest, after 3 years of release, we only received old hair, which they also said we wouldn't receive.

Since the exclusivity promise was not kept, then why keep the restrictions? SE's excuses fall apart, from the moment I see several helmets being adapted by players. And amazingly Amon's hat, which would be a big problem, has already been made, and doesn't clip on any of the ears.

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I appreciate some actual polite discourse. :) I came here expecting to be attacked or put down for having a divergent opinion - as one could probably tell from the tone of my initial post.

You are right, they do make exceptions from time to time, and that is I think the best we can expect from them. Particularly, I'd make specific requests for iconic pieces to be made available. Such as the artifact job sets headgear. There might even be hope for future event sets, although people have been giving feedback on that specifically for years now. These events reward headgear so sparsely however, that I see no reason why that request is unreasonable. Really, I think anything reasonable and without vitrol is what the devs will see, or acknowledge, rather than everything at once and everything in the future as well. Again, I don't have any faith that they actually read the forums - though it doesn't hurt to compile some feedback here - having feedback on multiple platforms can only help that cause, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I appreciate some actual polite discourse. :) I came here expecting to be attacked or put down for having a divergent opinion - as one could probably tell from the tone of my initial post.

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out of all the people I've discussed on this forum, you are by far one of my favorites. We've been in several discussions, and sometimes we don't even agree, but they were always good conversations.

Even though it's very difficult, I still have hopes of taking my voice to SE. As one of the people who fought for the male viera, I can't say that complaints don't resolve. I try to make myself heard even on twitter, but with few followers, and an account that I barely use, the place I get the most visibility is here, on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

out of all the people I've discussed on this forum, you are by far one of my favorites. We've been in several discussions, and sometimes we don't even agree, but they were always good conversations.

Even though it's very difficult, I still have hopes of taking my voice to SE. As one of the people who fought for the male viera, I can't say that complaints don't resolve. I try to make myself heard even on twitter, but with few followers, and an account that I barely use, the place I get the most visibility is here, on the forum.

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That's nice to read. :D I appreciate when a reasonable discussion can happen. Some days I can be particularly pessimistic, or sarcastic, about the state of the game, so I'm not going to say I'm not at fault in some interactions going badly. Still, in reality I really do hope for the best for the game. It is definitely frustrating when you think three years of feedback just isn't heard.

I guess I am still a little optimistic than I let on, deep down. I suppose I do still have the feeling that with a little effort, and reasonable feedback, across platforms, maybe Yoshida will budge on certain issues at some point. I'd say even if you don't have too many followers, it's still better to try than not, for sure. Maybe one day it'll be plausible for them to make more exceptions in terms of headgear. I wish viera would get some racial specific styles, that'd be my own personal hope - quality ones I mean. At the very least they could make the shared hairstyles look better, without their gigantic foreheads! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

what I mean is that they are static across all emotes. Since we won't have hats, what would it cost to add a little "life" to them, just like in the miqo'tes?

their biggest mistake was adding the floppy ears. Clearly it would be a lot easier to get the ears through the helmets if it weren't for those damn floppy ears, which I barely see used on my server.

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This is something I always wanted to happen. Someone once made the example of them "scanning" the area with their ears while using the /lookout emote. That would be neat! But for that to work, they would have to adjust every emote for each ear type separately. They are pretty different from each other. Sometimes I wish they would have just gone with one ear type, and made that one customizable. For example being able to give them fuzzy/fluffy ends, damaged parts or spots, and stuff like that. I think headgear would have been also much easier to adjust.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

Yes, I know they said there would never be hats. But they also said that we would get new and exclusive hair, as well as exclusive features in character creation.

Well, I don't know where the exclusive character creation features are, and to be honest, after 3 years of release, we only received old hair, which they also said we wouldn't receive.

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That would be the different ear types for Viera, which funnily enough limits them even more! :)

making every single new hat invisible is just rubbing salt on the wound at this point, I can't even be angry anymore. seeing that the ameliance glam hat doesn't show up on hrothgar and viera just made me go

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