Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Zumi

WHM is fine it has bigger stronger heals, better aoe range. It doesn't need to be a cookie cutter copy of AST or SCH. Not everything needs to have utility spells. WHM is suppose to be the pure healer job and that was it looks like they are going for.

My group we cleared A12S pretty early on and we had a WHM as a main healer and I was Paladin. People have said that both PLD and WHM were bad yet we still cleared savage many months ago.

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Diurnal and Nocturnal Sect have 15% increased healing potency.
Earthly Star has a base potency of 150/650 to damage and healing respectively; 200/900 if executed ten seconds after the initial cast.
Plenary Indulgence necessitates Confession stacks, which only trigger through inefficient Cure spam. Meanwhile, Lady of Crowns converts fodder cards into a 500 potency heal.

Although White Mage narrowly retains its aoe healing dominance, Astro pulls ahead as the better single target healer. Unfortunately, the Lily mechanic actively punishes you for utilizing aoe heals since you only get procs through Cure and Cure II. So, pray tell, what part of this is "fine"? No one is arguing White Mage won't be able to clear Savage. It's simply woefully inferior to Astro and Scholar. For a job that is supposedly a pure healer, it doesn't even heal as efficiently as its counterparts. That's how poorly implemented things are. People aren't upset because White Mage isn't raid optimal. They are upset because there is literally nothing White Mage offers that both Scholar and Astro don't somehow do better.

By utility I want things like you know, stoneskin back. Or what about a group wide esuna? I suggested Fluid Aura could be an AOE bind. What about an Auto-Raise style skill for those moments when you have no other choice but to let the bad happen. I guess if we have to talk damage a reflect bubble could be really neat.

I dont mind being the healer with the big numbers but I honestly like having more solutions than rocks, wind, and bandaids.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Tank is bleeding.

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Esuna or throw a regen on him, will cancel it out.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

DPS is bleeding.

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Same as above.



This is the last time I'm responding to your bunk. I hope to god you are a troll and if you are kudos, that is some serious dedication.

Look buddy, sorry to burst your bubble, but you mention WHM has the highest DPS out of 3 healers, that I agree, its one of its strength so far.

Then you mention we're able to reduce CDs of our skills (with 3 lilies it reduces 20% woooo!), that's true as well.

But did you forget HOW we're suppose to get those lilies in the first place? By spending your GCDs on Cure and Cure II, AKA not throwing stones at people (Negating the highest dps point).

It's basically a catch-22 design, you want to reduce CDs of your oGCDs so you can throw more rocks at people? Well start casting Cure and Cure II, but if you're casting Cure and Cure II, you can't throw rocks at people, thus one of the main reasons you want your oGCDs to come off earlier is now gone.

It's not all doom and gloom yet tho, SE can still salvage the job without a complete redesign, just make lily procs off all types of healing, and Confession stacks proc off Regen,Tetra and Benediction. This will allow WHMs the advantage of more GCDs to use compared to the other 2 healers (So you can throw more rocks).

Additional thoughts:
Is a consistent 20% oGCD reduction say...every 20 seconds or so considered OP?
Does having Confession stacks proc at a rate of... say 20% a Regen tick (So you'll get an average of 2.5 Stacks every 2 Regens), which translates to two additional GCD you can use (because you just healed the tank using PI) considered broken?

Looking at the new toys of ASTs and SCH (I know your AoE suck now, but that 400+ potency regen + 20% crit hnnngg), I personally do not believe the above is considered OP.

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The hyperbole is to make a point. Where does one draw the line at to say "Your decision is an active detriment to yourself and everyone you play with." Ice mages, classes, going with low potency spells as your bread and butter, all of those are clear examples of "You'd be an idiot to go with those." My opinion is that choosing to play WHM over the other two healers come Stormblood is more like those choices, rather than picking between MNK and NIN or other such permissible choices.

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The reality is nothing like what your "hyperbole" presents. The fact you think the difference between WHM and the others is going to be anything like the difference between an "ice mage" and a BLM that's actually trying is not only laughable, it's insulting to BLM.

The line gets drawn where a job can no longer function at performing its role. If that actually ends up being the case for WHM throughout the game once 4.0 hits, then I'll gladly come back here later and eat those words.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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I'd be stoked if folks posted my work (since I make cash based on commissions) as long as they didn't edit any watermarks/URLs out, but that's just me :<. I can't expect everyone to link to my site etc etc~

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Maybe the ones you know, the ones I know don't care unless someone else is trying to take credit for their work. Which Ama didn't do.

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Pretty much this^

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Originally Posted by Niroken

If someone does level WHM here in Stormblood, could you point out if WHM Stormblood's storyline is just as terrible as Heavensward? Thank You.

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Last time you healed the dragon to death! Now... you must heal the entire army to death.... TO GROW YOUR LILIES!!! Even though now they'd be pushing up the daisies, BUT LILIES!

Gotta say, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Of course I'm far from a WHM main, but still I think that what it is getting will be good for buffing up its MP conservation, and its new skills look to be good for helping its DPS output on top of that. Sure it didn't get anything flashy, but I agree it looks like it'll be in a good place as the "Pure Healer" they touted it as.

The worst part does seem to be the RNG-dependence of the new Lily-System. Maybe it'll be better in practice, or maybe it will be as horrific as everyone fears. If the latter proves true, hopefully they'll adjust it in due time.

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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

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Actually, despite DPSing all of the time I do actually heal personally. o3o i mean, I am a healer afterall. I do actually heal o3o but that doesn't stop me from also dpsing. I'll be able to cast plenty of cures and cure IIs. Especially if the content requires so (again, I don't believe we know how hard the raids will hit?)

Although I'll admit I do like your ideas! But I still don't think Cure and Cure II are things WHM don't already use often. Especially if they're main healer with a sch off heal.

Edited my post because I took a gander at said poster's profile and felt a little mean.

It looks like they've come back after a hiatus, WHM is their only class and it's in Yasha/ Gordian gear, so they likely haven't played much of anything past the original HW MSQ as far as level 60 content goes.