As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

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I can't belive this thread has gone on for this long (i guess i'm adding to it >_>).....but anyway, at the risk of taking the bait. If the blm takes....the tank buster...ok thi is bait isn't it? lol alright, i'll eat it, if the BLM takes the tank buster, it's not your fault. Just ressurect them and laugh at them and question why a blm is taking a tank buster. You might want to have a word with your tank too.

Lol if this is bait though, it is truly great.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

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Great post +1. Would read again.

BLM randomly taking tank buster really made me giggle.

I popped Foresight for Punishing Heat, keep dpsing while the blm tanks with apoc and virus. But yet the dragoon was dead before the pull even began.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I popped Foresight for Punishing Heat, keep dpsing while the blm tanks with apoc and virus. But yet the dragoon was dead before the pull even began.

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How do you drown a drg? Put an aoe marker in the middle of the ocean. :^)

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I understand all that, but you still completely missed what I said..

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Thanks I already have a group, and I dont think my attitude in that group is at fault and the negativity here didnt begin from my side, I was more or less told to dps or gtfo. I also didnt think that my attitude was worse than alot of people here. I guess everyone's usually negative towards things they dont like :) And no Im not in top percetile on ast but I dont think my group cares.And as for improving people need practice . And there is absolutely nothing wrong with my healer dps outside new content which does say more about learning fights than anything. So no need for your concern just feel sorry for all those other healers being harrassed to dps

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

Are you actually implying that because I don't MAIN scholar in savage content, I'm not qualified to have an opinion, nor comment on the state of SCH dps in general?

And yes, you are wrong, if stance issues occur within certain critical 15 second windows in some of the floors, it can be an issue, and it can lead to a wipe, especially when learning the floor. So if your point was "only healers have a stance issue that can cause critical failure and a wipe," that's not correct.

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No I was just saying if you dont heal scholar in alex then you dont really know what its like to play same as I dont know what a tanks like to play in there. No one has said your not allowed to have an opinion , it was aconversation about it . You seem to jump down my throat every time I say something in quite an 'aggressive' way. Jez and Im the one being negative lamdafish?

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

But healers aren't supposed to DPS. It's too hard for some people. It's too risky to stance dance. Who knows when damage will happen. It's not like bosses have a rotation. What if when you go into cleric stance, the BLM randomly takes a tank buster?

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Well that does happen despite your sarcasm, blm do get aggro sometimes. The 'bitchiness in here is beginning to feel like a school playground towards those not in the excellent click. And I stuck up for those people too at school and will always defend the 'not so fortunate '

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Originally Posted by Feyona

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There you go then, discussion over. You have a group that suits your skill level, your old raid group probably has someone who suits their skill level. In your current group you can co-ordinate with your co-healer to optimise fights through practice, and you say that you use healer DPS. Sounds like there was no problem to begin with.

As for other healers, my point stands just as heavily: nobody here is demanding optimal play from those who do not have the skill to do so, though people do get annoyed when you tell them that healer DPS shouldn't be something to strive for, and isn't ideal method of healing and you shouldn't try to reach that goal. The reason for this is because "can't do it" turns into "won't" or "shouldn't" and people take issue with that.

My advice to players who can't and are still harrassed (again, rarer than you make out) is to ditch the toxic people and find a group on your level of the scale, as you will gel with them better and you are able to improve and practice at your own pace rather than being burdened by the pressures of a group with higher skill (who may even see you struggling to keep up as you being carried).

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Well that does happen despite your sarcasm, blm do get aggro sometimes. The 'bitchiness in here is beginning to feel like a school playground towards those not in the excellent click. And I stuck up for those people too at school and will always defend the 'not so fortunate '

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People have been answering your questions and being met with weird answers for too many pages (I just resolved your issue and I hope it is an adequate answer, there is no need to continue pushing against people), people are getting agitated and bored, wishing to knock some sense into you though any means necessary, that's just how people work.

Also, it does happen sometimes yeah, but if you were in cleric stance and the BLM being killed by the tank buster would then put aggro back on the tank, you just raise them when you can, no harm done. Nobody is going to say "you raised them too slow", instead the BLM and the MT are going to have an argument as to why them BLM pulled hate :P

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Jez and Im the one being negative lamdafish?

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Considering I agree with them on that issue, I would say that you are being slightly hostile by implying that their opinion is less valuable. I also do not play SCH or any healer in raid, but I do talk to my raid team, my raid leader is a SCH and as a tank it is important for tanks and healers to communicate, to talk about openings etc. I have skills like hallowed ground, if I use this on a tank buster then that offers a healer a gap in healing in order to DPS and this is all co-ordinated. That is how I know about healer DPS in raid, and I trust that bounddreamer is the same way. Just because you don't play a role, doesn't mean that you aren't involved within that role passively while raiding.

Also, do yourself a favour and talk to your tanks about tanking (you said you don't know about tanking). It will improve you as a healer to know what your tanks are capable of, and you should observe their rotations proactively rather than reactively so that you can generate better synergy with them and the fight itself.

So basically a bunch of healers don't wanna be a all they can be?
Why don't you wanna heal and dps, and be the best players in the game? Why wouldn't you want more options. I don't understand if you afraid to enter cleric stance then don't and dps.

If your a astrologian and you got 3 hots on and you use time dilation its about time to dps son, everything else you do is the wrong answer.

I took a break from the game and just recently came back. I wanted to give my own little point of view about this. Since I cam back, so many dungeons, raids, and trials have been added to the game and I became overwhelmed. With that said, I find myself trying to DPS but do it less for these reasons:

1) I don't know the fights, and/or mechanics: I don't feel comfortable stance dancing because I am always scared I will screw things up.
2) I don't trust the other healer: I never know if the other healer will heal correctly or not.
3) Relearning my classes: Since I just got back, I feel like I am relearning the game all over again.

These are the reasons why while I try to DPS but do it less. I am probably going to get bashed on for this but I am sure other healers feel this way or was/are in the same situation I am.